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oh my God

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we going bigfooting again tonight baby

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so hold on to your seats welcome back to

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calling all beings I'm your host DJ

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along with the host of the most my

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brother money Nathan the technical

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director of this joint the executive

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producer

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money Nathan how are you brother I'm

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good man uh doing well happy Monday

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everybody kicking the week off here with

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I'll tell you what and you know what she

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just got out of work just escaped the

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last patient so she could come and hang

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out with Tim Dana talk a little bit

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about Bigfoot and find out what

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influence these peoples and you know I'm

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talking about a study of uaps dabs hi

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everyone I'm feeling like a future human

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today it's like spring forward oh my God

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I'm gonna tell you what man Michael

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Masters loves you man he does because of

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that man and we'll tell Tim and Dana who

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Michael Masters is uh UFO Community

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Bigfoot Community coming together uh and

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look at that man this is my friend right

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here from Tulsa Oklahoma the Bigfoot

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badass the oh gee Matt nah

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what's up what's up

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how you doing brother doing okay doing

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okay uh

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as it was stated in an early week show

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not used to this but it's nice for a

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little change of pace

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that's right we make sure that daylight

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savings time baby we don't need that

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yeah we don't need that stuff

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no we don't need don't come around no

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more uh and Matt man Matt and I talked

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about something that the cabbies are

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working up probably won't happen until

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this summer but we'll we'll have a a

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pretty huge show it looks like uh based

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on the contact that we made in uh and

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we'll be streaming it on both channels

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it'll be pretty dope

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Extravaganza you can I get ahead

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but uh but right now I want to introduce

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these folks who we had the pleasure of

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meeting as a result of interviewing Mr

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Matthew Knapp who uh is the quickest

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person to make it into cabs

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since Nathan and I

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day one acceptance letter just

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that's what happens when you leave the

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door open I just slide right in the back

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you know we head down to the field we

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watch this guy that's left tackle any

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pancakes like four people in a row and

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we're from OU we're like yup we'll take

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them bring them over here man we're

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gonna get that letter the letter of

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intent all right

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so on that show we had uh this these uh

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this author uh these two authors uh

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they're also a husband and wife and they

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were just came up with excellent

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questions like look at this man he's

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coming up with better questions than me

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love these people I listen to their

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podcast they're on I think it's the

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unknown radio network we're gonna ask

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somebody here in a second but uh it's an

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honor to have these guys come on for a

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fireside chat where we're going to

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interview them for a little bit and then

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we're going to go around the table so

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put your hands together for Tim and Dana

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Halloran hey

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yay hey everyone hi guys I don't know

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how we can beat that intro I'm serious

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it's such an honor to be here with you

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girls yeah we're here with with this is

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like like media Legends here on on the

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podcast with so nah nothing like that

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we're just a bunch of jokers that come

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on here we do a little bit of fun a

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little bit of seriousness and then we do

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a little bit of fun a little bit of

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seriousness and it looks like an

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electrical sine waves if you know I'm

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talking about alternating current uh so

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here the podcast the interviewers get

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interviewed I know I know we have to

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well it's all right

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so I I heard another pod that you guys

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were on where Tim you said that Dana got

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you into this topic is this correct

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that is 100 correct she sees the one to

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hook me in yeah five years ago I

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wouldn't I wouldn't have been here you

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know and do you want to get in the house

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I've always been interested in the

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subject watched all the shows you like

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monster quest and um you know uh Finding

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Bigfoot and just anything that I could

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um for a while there had our son Gabriel

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our youngest really interested

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um but now he's 19 and in college and

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studying biology and he's you know

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obviously becoming uh what do you call

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it left Chef Meldrum no I'm just kidding

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yeah there's a joke when we interviewed

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he just he's getting ready to get his

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PhD and we uh we tried we were joking

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with him and then Jeff uh Dr Jeff Melton

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we said hey we're going to try to get

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our son to come out there and postdoc

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yeah but neither I mean Jeff probably

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would have done it but our son was

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so anyway back to the story so

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um I've you know just kept on asking Tim

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I really want to go to a Bigfoot

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Conference and he's like okay fine

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whatever you want so

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um we went to the Ohio Bigfoot

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Conference and wow we really picked a

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good one to go too far first time and we

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just kind of like got embraced by

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everybody there I don't know what that

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was all about but um yeah it was it was

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it was really cool because like

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authenticity

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I got to see so like Dr Jeff is like my

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uh yeah he's like my uh what do you call

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it Crush Guru Rabbi my Bigfoot Crush my

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man crush

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we just arrived so we're at the lodge

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we're going to check in and oh my God

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guess who's there checking in too

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and and I'm and I'm busting jokes with

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him I'm like oh Tim

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Tim has no idea who this is well I knew

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who he was but I didn't know how you

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come here cause Dr Jeff oh my God and so

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then he goes over there and starts

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talking to him I feel like I was in high

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school again you know like oh my God no

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oh my God so he started talking to him

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and then I came over and I just said

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something really goofy and stupid yeah

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why I don't know I I said that I uh I

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said I told him I said you you kind of

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look familiar what's your name knowing

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that he's you know we're at a Bigfoot

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Conference and and he kind of laughed

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and chuckled but yeah but we just got um

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it was an interesting week I mean we we

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weren't big Footers and um we yeah I had

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no idea how to dress for a Bigfoot

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Conference zero do I wear heels do I

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wear a wedge I didn't do I need a

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cocktail dress or like the VIP dinner

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event you know like I just didn't know

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do I try to wear furry feet you know

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there's like people in like flannel

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VIP event so we were we probably stuck

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Columbia and like and that's pretty much

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the attire everybody is uh very like

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hiking outdoorsy kind of dress so that's

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probably why we stuck out so Nathan

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write that down it's not uh it's not

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Eddie Bauer it's Columbia Sports maybe

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like an hour and a half away but

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Columbia for us is like the closest I

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have one one follow-up though that I

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want to ask I think this is a it's a

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general question but I want to ask you

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this Dana and

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the reason I want you to think about

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this of all these different phenomena

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subset of Cryptids I don't think of

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Bigfoot Community as corrupted Community

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I think they're kind of like two

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separate communities that are that can

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join what is it about Bigfoot that

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resonated with you that you said I was

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into it what is it about this creature

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that draws you in

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that's a good question that is a good

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question we need to remember this to

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write it down for our podcast

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we'll bring DJ in to ask that one

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question that was really good

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but that is a great question

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do you think

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that resonates so much with me

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um because I you know obviously I have

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pretty open mind but I'm definitely not

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like a like a tinfoil Hat wear and kind

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of you know

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I'm sorry if any of you guys hey wait

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Tim flow hat can mean lots of things

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right no I'm like I'm cool with the with

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the UFO situation but back to Bigfoot

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you know what it is there's just so much

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have is a foot like Footprints lots of

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footprints who podiatrists couldn't even

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fake you know you you have somebody like

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like Dr Jeff uh Meldrum who's you know

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uh uh who specializes in bipedal

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locomotion and the study of it and

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anthropology so I mean they're not fake

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okay so like if you're in your if you go

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for a walk in your backyard and you see

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like a bear print

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you're gonna be like oh my God there's a

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bear here I never saw a bear I never

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heard of bear but I know there's a bear

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because there's a footprint of a bear

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so why can't we just think like that

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with Bigfoot we have footprints that

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don't belong to any other animal right

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why can't we just say there's something

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there we don't know exactly everything

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about it but we can tell a lot by a

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footprint and you could tell how you

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know how it walks you can tell how much

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it weighs you know how tall it is more

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or less

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um so that for me that's what really

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does it for me are the football we'll

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sir we'll Circle back to this because it

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because I'm gonna I gotta turn this over

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to Nathan and we got to get Deb so we

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got to get mad in so I can't hog up

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anymore of this but it it it's even

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before that it's even before the

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evidence there's something about this

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creature that Drew you in even before

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okay you're right oh you are so sorry

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that's okay though but let's we'll

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continue we'll Circle back we got time

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but let me get let me get the money man

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in here because he knows how to ask some

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he didn't show up to class I just

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skipped that one yeah well I'm actually

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gonna I'm gonna piggyback on your

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question DJ because I I would like your

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perspective having gone to these

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conferences and met so many of these

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folks who've had experiences who are

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doing the research doing the

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investigations what is it about the the

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personalities of these individuals that

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that stands out to you because I mean

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just like with UFO folks there doesn't

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seem to be a Common Thread and I was I

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would bet it's probably true in your

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community as well but uh is there

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anything that you you could say is

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common about their is it open this is it

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their curiosity like what what is it

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that uh that brings these folks together

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I mean I can jump in I guess yeah and

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Nathan I'll say we're going to open this

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up this is our community anything

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unexplained should be a woman in the

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community that's what we that's how

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perfect answer um you know I I think uh

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and Matt obviously Matt can attest to

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this probably better than any of us here

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on the call

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um

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we I think probably 60 no not about 60

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but at least half the people had an

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experience and then it got them into it

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and then the other half uh I think they

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they got hooked on watching it on TV or

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is start you know back when they watched

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in search of as a kid and something

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piqued your curiosity or we hear a lot a

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lot of the folks I interviewed for the

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book said it was

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um the you know the The Legend Boggy

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Creek movie they saw it in the drive-in

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theater and and it got him fascinated

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and I I think for me I think that's what

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I see would be the Common Thread would

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be I experience is that what you wanted

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Nathan is that what you're looking for

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because I I got the impression that was

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that personality type no it was like

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like I would say

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95 of the people there

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are Outdoors people there are people who

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are loved hiking love fishing hunting

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farming and obviously having those types

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of hobbies is probably what led them to

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either have a sighting or a sound or

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something or just to make them curious

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about nature in general

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um but I would definitely say 95 of the

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people like we love hiking

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um and even if it was a roadside

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Crossing which are 50 of the sightings

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those are still in rural areas so if you

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you see a roadside Crossing you're

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you're probably an outdoors person

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because you're there for a reason so the

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huge thing I think they all have in

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common is they are Outdoors people

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and that's so rare today right I mean

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we're spending so much time inside so

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for folks who are willingly getting out

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there getting into nature uh that's

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becoming a rare and rarer thing today so

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that's uh that's great that's a great

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answer I love that

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and if you hadn't noticed there's a

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campfire going right underneath Dana is

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there where is it oh my god look you

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and if your boots and stuff all right

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Debs go ahead my friend yeah I was

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hoping that maybe you could tell us a

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little bit more about the book that you

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you um put together and maybe some of

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the theories that were in that book that

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might draw people in interest wise yeah

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and guys let's just for the record Tim

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wrote the book

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I'm not the author of the book I'm just

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like the the inspiration and she yes and

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the podcaster with him but he wrote the

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book all on his own so I know but she

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she inspired me so it's we're a team

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we're still safe

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so uh I mean Deb we could talk so much

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about uh so let's start with

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um

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I guess you you want to start with the

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theories of the people in the book or do

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you want to start with how we came up

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with the book how I came up with the

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idea of the book

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well honestly as an outside Observer of

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someone who hasn't studied as much about

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Bigfoot everything is interesting very

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like so we just don't know about the big

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people we don't know like who Dr Jeff is

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to everybody you know things like that

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um so anything you want to tell us I'm

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also just more interested in the

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theories that they might have talked

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about too so right and that's an amazing

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question which kind of leads right into

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why I wrote the book so you know after a

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few years

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um we got to we just became kind of we

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became friends with a lot of these

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people and and

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um we were at we came back from a

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conference once and I I started

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listening to podcasts and we obviously

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we you know we could start watching more

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more documentaries and things on TV and

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wherever we could grab it listen to

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match I mean uh Matt started listening

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to Matt's podcast every single week you

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know which is it's it's a no-brainer

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there Bigfoot Crossroads for everyone

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who doesn't know that

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um kind of good amen and

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um

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one day I just had this idea Deb I said

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I was first now I wasn't frustrated but

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as a quest I I would hear somebody on a

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podcast

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and I said who is that I had no idea who

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it was and and and then I said how come

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I don't know who this person is how

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would I get ramped up to really figure

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out who all these people are just like

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the question you just asked who's Dr

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Jeff obviously there's a few that I got

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to know but

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um so I said wouldn't it be great to

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start of course I couldn't get it all in

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one book but have a book where anyone if

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you're new into this subject if you're

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just interested or if you're seasoned

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and and want to learn about who's doing

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the research or who's in that's where

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the title is who's influencing the

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subject uh so it opens up not just to

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people doing research it could be you

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know however you're influencing the

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subject whether you're a TV host or a

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guy like Les Stroud survivor man who's

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who we interviewed for the book and

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um so that's going to interview them on

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the podcast too which is really cool

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yeah yeah so so that's how it started

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and that's how we came up with the idea

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and we can later talk about you know the

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title and that experience how we got it

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going but I think

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um

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Theory so you know the concept of the

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book Deb was

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um I I asked to interview starbook so

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every chapter is an individual and then

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I've got a ton of other stuff Blended in

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uh the the publisher and and actually

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the uh creative art of the book and also

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he's in the book is uh Doug hi check and

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for the audience who may not know who

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Doug hichek is

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he's uh well he's a producer of

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MonsterQuest uh he's also the producer

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of the documentary Sasquatch Legend me

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science uh he's producer of mysterious

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encounters uh and that's just a few

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things I mean he's got a resume that's

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insane in in the in the movie in the in

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the production I mean he's the study uh

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and film wildlife animals

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he's a hunting guide from Minnesota too

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so very very experienced Outdoorsman

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so I think so Deb you wanted to know

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like the question you asked him was the

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theories what are the theories the

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general theories of some of the people

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that you interviewed of the existence of

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Bigfoot was that your question Deb

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yeah that's the part that I found most

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intriguing reading about the book yeah I

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would like so but I know it's a long

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answer

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well I know well but I kind of want and

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I'm sorry Deb it's it's I get a little

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passionate about it I was uh

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I was trying to

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through that process I I had a list of

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questions I asked everybody and some of

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them everyone got some of the same

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questions and that where it comes to

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theories come in and one of the

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questions I asked to everybody I think

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everybody and some of the questions were

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related to that person's background uh

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was you know what do they think if

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what's their theory on what they think

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Bigfoot are so you'll see in my first

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book because there's going to be volume

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two you're probably gonna see

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um what we'll say most of what they call

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Flesh and Blood uh

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um but that doesn't mean where they're

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from but most of the folks I have in the

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book are are Flesh and Blood although

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there's I didn't want to totally do that

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and it wasn't it wasn't by choice when

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you say Flesh and Blood it means by they

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think because of biology yeah like

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um some people believe that bigfoots are

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just biological

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and other people believe that there's

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something

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um uh more to them than that like some

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sort of unexplained phenomena that goes

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with them whether it be that they're

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they come from UFOs or they go into a

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different dimension or so

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we uh so you were talking about the

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general theory what is the common theory

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of well a lot of the influencers of what

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Bigfoot was of the of them sorry the

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ones in the book most of them think it's

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a biological creature uh on on you know

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unidentified or undiscovered uh primate

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uh could be gigantopithecus could be

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paranthropists could be some other type

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of clothes something closer to us that

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they don't know you know and then we had

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folks like Ron Moorhead and and who who

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believes that there was alien

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intervention uh maybe before we even

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came around and and there's something

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with the within there's an alien genome

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then there's something that connects us

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and and every everything that's going on

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there you know and we had other folks

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who still might think it's biological

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but they don't want to be close-minded

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to it because they've seen things you

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know whether the orbs or UFOs or uaps

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you know in the same areas so they you

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know they they don't want to be totally

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close-minded to it and others don't want

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to hear it so it had a kind of a a mix

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of of individuals in the book but I

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think probably 65 of them were 70

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percent of them I would say more you

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know biological or say they call them

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apers or whatever I would say like 80

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like it's Ron is a super cool dude he

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has the theory of uh you know what do

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they call it woo

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well it could be I mean I mean

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Wu is just something to attach a a

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certain uh oh if that person's woo that

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means they're into kind of the weird

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aspect of whatever phenomenon you're

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talking about but it can be used as to

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to sort of uh take away value from what

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that person's opinion is what I'll say

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is this if are there humans that are

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able to no kid and connect with Spirits

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00:21:44,570 --> 00:21:42,960
connect with and like act as as a medium

544
00:21:46,850 --> 00:21:44,580
are there humans that are proven they

545
00:21:48,529 --> 00:21:46,860
can do these things sure so there's some

546
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:48,539
humans that have these extraordinary

547
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:51,120
abilities that perhaps I don't have or

548
00:21:54,649 --> 00:21:53,039
Nathan or Deb or Matt doesn't have or

549
00:22:01,390 --> 00:21:54,659
you guys don't have there are those

550
00:22:06,289 --> 00:22:04,250
that bigfoots some of them may have

551
00:22:10,010 --> 00:22:06,299
abilities that others don't have is that

552
00:22:12,830 --> 00:22:10,020
within the if we if if possibility is a

553
00:22:15,470 --> 00:22:12,840
gigantic cube is it possible it's

554
00:22:16,850 --> 00:22:15,480
possible that's that's the thing of

555
00:22:19,250 --> 00:22:16,860
course it's flesh and blood if people

556
00:22:21,770 --> 00:22:19,260
have found feces Matt has found tracks

557
00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:21,780
people have seen them smelled them some

558
00:22:25,789 --> 00:22:23,520
people have been physically struck by

559
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:25,799
them right so so we know that it exists

560
00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:27,600
but does that mean that's the entire

561
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:30,000
story the answer is we don't know I mean

562
00:22:34,490 --> 00:22:31,919
I I can't imagine there's somebody that

563
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:34,500
knows so at least if we leave open the

564
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:36,480
door just because there are humans that

565
00:22:40,490 --> 00:22:38,400
have abilities that we all don't have

566
00:22:42,649 --> 00:22:40,500
maybe it's within us but we're not able

567
00:22:45,169 --> 00:22:42,659
to cultivate it well maybe Bigfoot's the

568
00:22:46,909 --> 00:22:45,179
same so with that let's pass it over

569
00:22:48,350 --> 00:22:46,919
Matt Knapp and then we'll get to Julie's

570
00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:48,360
question for you Julie's in our chat

571
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:51,600
hello Jewel of Indiana who had a Bigfoot

572
00:22:56,270 --> 00:22:53,760
sighting as a child in Indiana but

573
00:22:59,710 --> 00:22:56,280
anyway go ahead Matt sir oh geez I was

574
00:23:06,169 --> 00:23:02,330
sorry it's time to go to work oh geez

575
00:23:08,890 --> 00:23:06,179
okay uh first off congratulations on the

576
00:23:12,350 --> 00:23:08,900
success of the book

577
00:23:14,810 --> 00:23:12,360
I'm not mistaken you guys got a was it

578
00:23:17,810 --> 00:23:14,820
book of the year in the Bigfoot World

579
00:23:19,970 --> 00:23:17,820
um no well no well the from the

580
00:23:23,390 --> 00:23:19,980
international cryptozoology uh music

581
00:23:25,850 --> 00:23:23,400
museum or crypto's news the hominology

582
00:23:30,049 --> 00:23:25,860
book of the year and then

583
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:30,059
um Steve calls and squash TV gave it the

584
00:23:34,610 --> 00:23:32,159
book of the year but so yeah it's great

585
00:23:36,350 --> 00:23:34,620
it's awesome thank you no big deal you

586
00:23:38,029 --> 00:23:36,360
know well it's you know it's a it's the

587
00:23:39,710 --> 00:23:38,039
book's really about everybody it's a

588
00:23:42,590 --> 00:23:39,720
unique book yeah it's really neat it is

589
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:42,600
just like we were you know talking like

590
00:23:47,390 --> 00:23:44,640
um I think Deb mentioned that she didn't

591
00:23:49,250 --> 00:23:47,400
know who Dr Jeff Meldrum was or you know

592
00:23:52,250 --> 00:23:49,260
you know you might not know who Peter

593
00:23:53,810 --> 00:23:52,260
Byrne is or Laurel Lauren Coleman but if

594
00:23:55,850 --> 00:23:53,820
you start to get interested in the

595
00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:55,860
Bigfoot world and you go to conferences

596
00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:58,559
or you see a documentary you've you got

597
00:24:02,450 --> 00:24:00,720
like a you know like a like a chapter on

598
00:24:03,770 --> 00:24:02,460
that person and so now you know who they

599
00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:03,780
are

600
00:24:10,850 --> 00:24:08,159
how did you guys uh choose uh who you

601
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:10,860
were going to feature in the book

602
00:24:16,370 --> 00:24:12,480
that's a good question yeah that was

603
00:24:18,830 --> 00:24:16,380
yeah so you know for the most part I I

604
00:24:21,730 --> 00:24:18,840
pirated names from from like you like to

605
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:21,740
listen to your podcast or something

606
00:24:27,049 --> 00:24:24,960
I would hear I would hear him and and or

607
00:24:28,970 --> 00:24:27,059
you know on on or we'd see him on TV so

608
00:24:32,270 --> 00:24:28,980
you you obviously you can come up with a

609
00:24:34,909 --> 00:24:32,280
your generic list right and um you know

610
00:24:36,529 --> 00:24:34,919
there's there's some I asked you know I

611
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:36,539
I would ask a couple other people that I

612
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:38,159
knew are good at Doug hi check or Matt

613
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:39,840
Pro to say Hey you know just get their

614
00:24:44,270 --> 00:24:41,520
idea they obviously it's my book I can

615
00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:44,280
put uh whoever I want it in there and

616
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:46,320
then it was almost like Dialing for

617
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:48,480
Dollars uh I hate to say that because I

618
00:24:54,049 --> 00:24:51,360
I've got I had about 90 or so people

619
00:24:55,789 --> 00:24:54,059
listed and now there's more so it was

620
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:55,799
really who who I could get I mean

621
00:24:58,490 --> 00:24:57,120
obviously I had a few that I said had

622
00:25:01,010 --> 00:24:58,500
you know I had to find a way to get Dr

623
00:25:03,710 --> 00:25:01,020
Jeff Meldrum in the book and and Peter

624
00:25:05,270 --> 00:25:03,720
Byrne who's 97 years old uh that was

625
00:25:06,409 --> 00:25:05,280
that was pretty important for me to get

626
00:25:08,750 --> 00:25:06,419
him in the book

627
00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:08,760
um and he's still doing great uh but I

628
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:10,799
thought that was I guess he was 96

629
00:25:13,850 --> 00:25:12,480
probably when I talked to him

630
00:25:15,529 --> 00:25:13,860
um so then I just kind of went down the

631
00:25:17,450 --> 00:25:15,539
list and whoever could get a hold of I

632
00:25:20,930 --> 00:25:17,460
got we got some of those

633
00:25:22,850 --> 00:25:20,940
um that just scheduling didn't match up

634
00:25:25,490 --> 00:25:22,860
um and then others you know I think I

635
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:25,500
only had one person that uh that did not

636
00:25:28,610 --> 00:25:27,120
want to be in the book

637
00:25:30,289 --> 00:25:28,620
um and that's because they they did not

638
00:25:32,990 --> 00:25:30,299
want to be involved in a subject anymore

639
00:25:35,210 --> 00:25:33,000
so a 100 respect of that had a lifelong

640
00:25:37,310 --> 00:25:35,220
conversation with that person and

641
00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:37,320
um and you know that was interesting so

642
00:25:41,450 --> 00:25:38,880
so yeah that's kind of how it was Matt I

643
00:25:43,490 --> 00:25:41,460
just kind of went down the list and now

644
00:25:45,710 --> 00:25:43,500
you know and then I you know I already

645
00:25:47,390 --> 00:25:45,720
have enough for a couple more books from

646
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:47,400
the first list so I'm just kind of

647
00:25:51,950 --> 00:25:49,440
working through that now who stood out

648
00:25:53,390 --> 00:25:51,960
like the most to you would you say out

649
00:25:56,269 --> 00:25:53,400
of everybody that you talked to and

650
00:26:00,350 --> 00:25:56,279
interviewed that had maybe uh

651
00:26:03,010 --> 00:26:00,360
the most uh influential uh watch on the

652
00:26:05,390 --> 00:26:03,020
subject for you personally

653
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:05,400
yeah that's so tough because I've been

654
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:06,720
asked that question before and and

655
00:26:09,890 --> 00:26:08,640
sometimes even like when Dana and I do

656
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:09,900
the podcast

657
00:26:14,450 --> 00:26:11,520
it changes every week yeah because we're

658
00:26:17,149 --> 00:26:14,460
like oh my God he was so cool or she was

659
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:17,159
so awesome and you know then you know

660
00:26:30,850 --> 00:26:18,480
then you're like oh my God we're never

661
00:26:37,549 --> 00:26:34,669
it was definitely Ron Moorhead yeah

662
00:26:40,970 --> 00:26:37,559
so he's which was because I'm definitely

663
00:26:43,850 --> 00:26:40,980
like um you know like uh like when it

664
00:26:46,490 --> 00:26:43,860
comes to Bigfoot I really believe that

665
00:26:49,250 --> 00:26:46,500
um that it's just biological

666
00:26:50,269 --> 00:26:49,260
um but you know Ron opened my mind a

667
00:26:53,390 --> 00:26:50,279
little bit

668
00:26:57,649 --> 00:26:53,400
and he's just a really cool dude

669
00:26:58,430 --> 00:26:57,659
like like super spiritual super

670
00:27:02,870 --> 00:26:58,440
um

671
00:27:04,909 --> 00:27:02,880
kind full of love kind of like was I was

672
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:04,919
really impressed with Ron Moorhead yeah

673
00:27:08,750 --> 00:27:06,960
and it there's so many I I can't pick

674
00:27:10,250 --> 00:27:08,760
one I wish I could that sounds like so

675
00:27:12,890 --> 00:27:10,260
political right now that oh I'm playing

676
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:12,900
the middle I'm not gonna pick one but I

677
00:27:17,450 --> 00:27:14,880
remember but you know what some some one

678
00:27:21,769 --> 00:27:17,460
that kind of didn't surprise me

679
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:21,779
um Diane uh stalking which is not um she

680
00:27:27,649 --> 00:27:24,960
because she's on the outside you know

681
00:27:29,870 --> 00:27:27,659
she's kind of a tough tough woman if if

682
00:27:33,409 --> 00:27:29,880
you don't know her and and that's great

683
00:27:35,450 --> 00:27:33,419
I love it and I wasn't sure uh you know

684
00:27:37,250 --> 00:27:35,460
and I thought I was that I was timid

685
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:37,260
about interviewing when I did the book I

686
00:27:41,690 --> 00:27:38,880
just didn't know know how it was gonna

687
00:27:44,390 --> 00:27:41,700
go and she's the best she is the best it

688
00:27:47,090 --> 00:27:44,400
was so fun yeah and I was just we just

689
00:27:49,789 --> 00:27:47,100
had a blast yeah it was cool and and we

690
00:27:52,370 --> 00:27:49,799
every single interview I had a different

691
00:27:53,810 --> 00:27:52,380
Dynamic and uh just had a bunch of fun

692
00:27:56,029 --> 00:27:53,820
interviewing everybody there's a couple

693
00:27:57,710 --> 00:27:56,039
that a lot of fun there's a gentleman by

694
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:57,720
the name of Tom Shay in Kentucky and

695
00:28:02,750 --> 00:28:00,720
Thomas this is great but he's

696
00:28:04,909 --> 00:28:02,760
he was he sometimes and I told him this

697
00:28:06,890 --> 00:28:04,919
I joke with Thomas I said he's tough

698
00:28:08,930 --> 00:28:06,900
he's I don't you know I don't think he's

699
00:28:10,430 --> 00:28:08,940
camera shy because he's but he's totally

700
00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:10,440
different in person than when you get

701
00:28:12,750 --> 00:28:11,700
him on the phone oh my God he's like

702
00:28:15,890 --> 00:28:12,760
yeah

703
00:28:17,330 --> 00:28:15,900
[Laughter]

704
00:28:19,010 --> 00:28:17,340
um yeah there's a couple there's just a

705
00:28:20,810 --> 00:28:19,020
bunch so

706
00:28:23,090 --> 00:28:20,820
I'll tell you what uh Julie's question

707
00:28:25,310 --> 00:28:23,100
was basically that what Matt just asked

708
00:28:28,010 --> 00:28:25,320
you so Jules will will get you in during

709
00:28:30,850 --> 00:28:28,020
the uh during the fireside chat portion

710
00:28:32,510 --> 00:28:30,860
which we about to launch into right now

711
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:32,520
so

712
00:28:39,289 --> 00:28:36,720
um Nathan I guess I could start with one

713
00:28:41,450 --> 00:28:39,299
it's it's fairly General and then it's

714
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:41,460
gonna go through Tim and Dana first and

715
00:28:45,649 --> 00:28:42,960
then it'll go down through Nathan Deb

716
00:28:48,049 --> 00:28:45,659
and Matt and then it'll just keep going

717
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:48,059
in a circle unless you guys want to

718
00:28:51,850 --> 00:28:49,919
introduce your topic first we actually

719
00:28:54,169 --> 00:28:51,860
can we could do

720
00:28:55,370 --> 00:28:54,179
yeah okay because Dana doesn't know

721
00:28:58,210 --> 00:28:55,380
about this yet I don't know how to play

722
00:29:03,529 --> 00:29:01,250
if you have one topic that you would

723
00:29:05,630 --> 00:29:03,539
like us all to consider you would throw

724
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:05,640
that topic on the table now I would

725
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:08,640
answer it Nathan uh Debs and then Matt

726
00:29:12,409 --> 00:29:10,559
and then I and then it would be my turn

727
00:29:15,169 --> 00:29:12,419
and I would give a topic and everybody

728
00:29:18,289 --> 00:29:15,179
will will okay so you start you start

729
00:29:19,970 --> 00:29:18,299
okay okay all right so uh my question

730
00:29:23,389 --> 00:29:19,980
for you guys and this will kind of get

731
00:29:25,490 --> 00:29:23,399
to where we were it was what aspect of

732
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:25,500
Bigfoot do you find the most intriguing

733
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:28,320
yet has been the most difficult for you

734
00:29:33,049 --> 00:29:30,960
to believe and why

735
00:29:35,090 --> 00:29:33,059
and I'll start we'll start with you uh

736
00:29:37,850 --> 00:29:35,100
Tim and and Dana

737
00:29:41,090 --> 00:29:37,860
what was the question okay so the first

738
00:29:43,490 --> 00:29:41,100
part was which okay so which aspect of

739
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:43,500
of Bigfoot do you find the most

740
00:29:47,450 --> 00:29:44,880
intriguing

741
00:29:48,649 --> 00:29:47,460
yet it was the most difficult for you to

742
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:48,659
believe so in other words when someone

743
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:51,360
told you hey we have a lot of evidence

744
00:30:00,409 --> 00:29:55,679
that Bigfoot is X or or does X or is

745
00:30:04,430 --> 00:30:00,419
capable of X and you're like wow man I

746
00:30:06,769 --> 00:30:04,440
that that freaks me out I got it so

747
00:30:08,750 --> 00:30:06,779
for me and and we're going right back to

748
00:30:12,049 --> 00:30:08,760
the Ron Moorhead uh interview that we

749
00:30:14,090 --> 00:30:12,059
did for him on our podcast Ron Moorhead

750
00:30:17,289 --> 00:30:14,100
has audio

751
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:17,299
of Bigfoot chatter

752
00:30:22,190 --> 00:30:19,919
that by far because I would have never

753
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:22,200
thought okay bigfoots had communicate

754
00:30:25,850 --> 00:30:24,000
verbally

755
00:30:27,889 --> 00:30:25,860
you know beyond you know like with words

756
00:30:29,930 --> 00:30:27,899
or a language you know obviously there's

757
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:29,940
you know normal primate sounds

758
00:30:35,389 --> 00:30:32,880
and so when I heard the audio and looked

759
00:30:40,010 --> 00:30:35,399
into it more I was totally freaked out

760
00:30:42,769 --> 00:30:40,020
like I I speak fluent Italian

761
00:30:48,370 --> 00:30:42,779
um obviously so I'm bilingual hey right

762
00:30:52,730 --> 00:30:51,289
so anyway back to the story so let's not

763
00:30:55,549 --> 00:30:52,740
get lost in Italy because it's such a

764
00:30:56,750 --> 00:30:55,559
cool cool place but

765
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:56,760
um

766
00:31:01,909 --> 00:30:59,760
and I also taught English as well

767
00:31:04,970 --> 00:31:01,919
um with living there which is good

768
00:31:08,269 --> 00:31:04,980
because that's my mother tongue right so

769
00:31:11,450 --> 00:31:08,279
um and you I could tell by listening to

770
00:31:13,250 --> 00:31:11,460
this chatter that it was a language just

771
00:31:14,750 --> 00:31:13,260
from teaching English to people of all

772
00:31:17,330 --> 00:31:14,760
different types of languages and knowing

773
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:17,340
more or less how their languages work

774
00:31:22,610 --> 00:31:19,679
and also then having like I think some

775
00:31:25,370 --> 00:31:22,620
like an expert basically who was that

776
00:31:27,529 --> 00:31:25,380
Scott Nelson she's so good

777
00:31:29,090 --> 00:31:27,539
what did Scott Nelson do he's a crypto

778
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:29,100
linguist and three years from the Navy

779
00:31:34,130 --> 00:31:31,919
right Navy yep and so those guys fly

780
00:31:36,049 --> 00:31:34,140
around they listen and they they listen

781
00:31:39,470 --> 00:31:36,059
to languages and they basically

782
00:31:42,049 --> 00:31:39,480
translate uh gather Intel that way so he

783
00:31:44,930 --> 00:31:42,059
knew that he confirmed that this was not

784
00:31:47,690 --> 00:31:44,940
uh some kind of mumbo-jumbo garble that

785
00:31:50,510 --> 00:31:47,700
somebody's faking it it actually has

786
00:31:53,090 --> 00:31:50,520
aspects to it patterns to it that

787
00:31:54,649 --> 00:31:53,100
represent a real language so yeah for me

788
00:31:56,570 --> 00:31:54,659
that was the

789
00:31:58,669 --> 00:31:56,580
that was that that answers what was the

790
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:58,679
second part of the question that was it

791
00:32:01,789 --> 00:32:00,240
I mean you you answered it it's just

792
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:01,799
something you you were you were

793
00:32:05,930 --> 00:32:03,840
surprised that they could actually have

794
00:32:07,610 --> 00:32:05,940
a language because that takes them from

795
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:07,620
oh you know just like a gorilla just

796
00:32:11,810 --> 00:32:09,600
huffing and puffing around the zoo or

797
00:32:13,250 --> 00:32:11,820
around their natural habitat too they're

798
00:32:15,470 --> 00:32:13,260
actually communicating and maybe

799
00:32:17,570 --> 00:32:15,480
speaking about Ron and his group over

800
00:32:19,310 --> 00:32:17,580
there so Tim do you have do you have an

801
00:32:23,930 --> 00:32:19,320
answer for that real quick yeah I try to

802
00:32:24,769 --> 00:32:23,940
make mine a short and and don't be catty

803
00:32:27,529 --> 00:32:24,779
um

804
00:32:29,389 --> 00:32:27,539
uh you know it might sound weird but you

805
00:32:31,250 --> 00:32:29,399
know for me when I when you first when

806
00:32:33,049 --> 00:32:31,260
you you see the Patterson game on film

807
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:33,059
the first time I go back to when I was a

808
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:35,039
kid and you're like maybe when I was a

809
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:36,960
kid I thought that was it was it was it

810
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:38,640
but then later you know I just got older

811
00:32:41,570 --> 00:32:39,840
and looked at it before I was really in

812
00:32:43,850 --> 00:32:41,580
the subject you look at like

813
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:43,860
that's just a person in the suit and

814
00:32:47,330 --> 00:32:45,360
that's that's the first thing that comes

815
00:32:49,730 --> 00:32:47,340
to your mind and then and there's still

816
00:32:51,769 --> 00:32:49,740
days I look at that and I'm not 100 all

817
00:32:54,169 --> 00:32:51,779
together any of us can never be 100 on

818
00:32:57,289 --> 00:32:54,179
that because we weren't there

819
00:32:59,090 --> 00:32:57,299
um and and then just but then listening

820
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:59,100
and and listening to all the evidence

821
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:01,200
that was collected around that and and

822
00:33:06,529 --> 00:33:04,320
having people like Bill muns and Dr Jeff

823
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:06,539
Meldrum and and other folks who've

824
00:33:10,850 --> 00:33:08,640
who've I who've broken down that film

825
00:33:12,289 --> 00:33:10,860
and they show Muscle patterns and just

826
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:12,299
different things that

827
00:33:17,450 --> 00:33:14,880
it's a head scratcher it really is and I

828
00:33:20,810 --> 00:33:17,460
and we we talked to a primatologist Dr

829
00:33:22,370 --> 00:33:20,820
Esteban sarmiento who's uh he's seen

830
00:33:24,409 --> 00:33:22,380
some weird things out there too but he's

831
00:33:26,330 --> 00:33:24,419
not he's he won't come out and say

832
00:33:27,889 --> 00:33:26,340
Bigfoot's uh biological creature or

833
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:27,899
anything because until he sees one but

834
00:33:32,029 --> 00:33:29,760
he said there's enough he said there's

835
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:32,039
enough in that film from his experience

836
00:33:35,630 --> 00:33:33,600
to

837
00:33:37,009 --> 00:33:35,640
not have an answer it's there's not

838
00:33:39,049 --> 00:33:37,019
enough to say it's real and there's not

839
00:33:40,009 --> 00:33:39,059
enough to say it's it's fake in his mind

840
00:33:42,110 --> 00:33:40,019
yeah and you guys know what the

841
00:33:44,750 --> 00:33:42,120
Patterson gimlin film is right oh my God

842
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:44,760
yeah I'm from 1997. I just want to

843
00:33:47,810 --> 00:33:46,320
include all of your viewers because I

844
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:47,820
know but it's important to know it's

845
00:33:52,430 --> 00:33:50,159
that old film from back in the day that

846
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:52,440
that scientists are looking at it and

847
00:33:58,130 --> 00:33:54,799
reimaging it and being like

848
00:34:00,169 --> 00:33:58,140
this is not somebody in a costume

849
00:34:03,710 --> 00:34:00,179
yeah I don't want to put a percentage on

850
00:34:05,570 --> 00:34:03,720
it I would have to I would be far far

851
00:34:07,549 --> 00:34:05,580
less likely to get anyone to convince me

852
00:34:10,730 --> 00:34:07,559
that someone could put a suit on and do

853
00:34:13,550 --> 00:34:10,740
that in 1967 I just don't believe it so

854
00:34:15,710 --> 00:34:13,560
I don't want to put a percentage because

855
00:34:16,970 --> 00:34:15,720
I I believe in God I haven't seen him

856
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:16,980
you know what I mean I mean you believe

857
00:34:21,169 --> 00:34:18,960
in a lot of things that I believe that

858
00:34:22,970 --> 00:34:21,179
film is genuine and that's a you know

859
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:22,980
the way that those guys Came Upon that

860
00:34:26,750 --> 00:34:25,200
the shock when he's falling off the you

861
00:34:28,070 --> 00:34:26,760
know falling off the horse and you know

862
00:34:30,290 --> 00:34:28,080
getting up and trying I mean it's

863
00:34:31,849 --> 00:34:30,300
exactly you know it's a genuine reaction

864
00:34:33,770 --> 00:34:31,859
and and then when you put all the other

865
00:34:36,349 --> 00:34:33,780
evidence together that they were two

866
00:34:39,169 --> 00:34:36,359
Cowboys from Yakima that came you know

867
00:34:40,909 --> 00:34:39,179
like this uh Tom Cantrell says came 600

868
00:34:42,290 --> 00:34:40,919
miles when they could have just gone in

869
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:42,300
the woods in Washington probably found

870
00:34:46,129 --> 00:34:44,159
one if they would have known but anyway

871
00:34:48,169 --> 00:34:46,139
let's go to uh money Nathan with that

872
00:34:50,030 --> 00:34:48,179
question Nathan what's what is the most

873
00:34:53,990 --> 00:34:50,040
interesting thing the most difficult for

874
00:34:55,790 --> 00:34:54,000
you to believe and uh and and why yeah

875
00:34:58,490 --> 00:34:55,800
that's a good one uh you know I'm pretty

876
00:35:01,010 --> 00:34:58,500
open-minded to a lot of the uh aspects

877
00:35:02,930 --> 00:35:01,020
of Bigfoot the different theories

878
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:02,940
um one that really intrigues me the most

879
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:05,040
though is the sort of Mind speak aspect

880
00:35:08,089 --> 00:35:06,960
that some people report that they you

881
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:08,099
know have

882
00:35:12,589 --> 00:35:10,560
seen a Bigfoot or or you know but then

883
00:35:14,450 --> 00:35:12,599
they're hearing things in their head uh

884
00:35:17,150 --> 00:35:14,460
and it seem to be associated with the

885
00:35:19,790 --> 00:35:17,160
encounter and so that's a big one for me

886
00:35:22,010 --> 00:35:19,800
I would definitely love to get your

887
00:35:23,630 --> 00:35:22,020
thoughts on that but um I don't know if

888
00:35:25,970 --> 00:35:23,640
I can go back to them or or I should

889
00:35:27,290 --> 00:35:25,980
pass it to oh do it however you want to

890
00:35:30,290 --> 00:35:27,300
do it yeah I would love to get your take

891
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:30,300
on that from from what you've heard in

892
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:32,160
regard to the Mind speak I mean we have

893
00:35:37,550 --> 00:35:34,320
one witness you know when we talk to

894
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:37,560
Diane stocking yeah who is like

895
00:35:42,589 --> 00:35:40,079
um so she's a researcher and she's just

896
00:35:44,810 --> 00:35:42,599
like a she's like uh how do you describe

897
00:35:47,810 --> 00:35:44,820
Diane she's very direct very matter of

898
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:47,820
fact pleasant person very pleasant but

899
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:51,119
there's no like you know sweet you know

900
00:35:55,790 --> 00:35:53,760
sweeten than anything with her yes yeah

901
00:35:58,010 --> 00:35:55,800
so she

902
00:36:00,349 --> 00:35:58,020
and she does she also comes across to me

903
00:36:03,130 --> 00:36:00,359
as somebody doesn't get scared easily so

904
00:36:05,530 --> 00:36:03,140
she had her she was having an experience

905
00:36:08,030 --> 00:36:05,540
where she was hearing or hearing things

906
00:36:10,190 --> 00:36:08,040
she followed up on a witness a witness

907
00:36:11,870 --> 00:36:10,200
report and she went in the woods or one

908
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:11,880
she wasn't even in the woods she wants

909
00:36:15,770 --> 00:36:13,680
to work go she went to the site where

910
00:36:18,829 --> 00:36:15,780
the the uh this incident they were

911
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:18,839
teenagers and as she's walking there she

912
00:36:22,970 --> 00:36:21,359
could hear she got that feeling of dread

913
00:36:24,650 --> 00:36:22,980
and she could hear something says turn

914
00:36:26,690 --> 00:36:24,660
around and get the heck out of here so

915
00:36:29,569 --> 00:36:26,700
she wasn't it's not like somebody was

916
00:36:33,230 --> 00:36:29,579
speaking in her head but

917
00:36:35,089 --> 00:36:33,240
she did get a feeling of I need to not

918
00:36:37,250 --> 00:36:35,099
do this and we're talking about like a

919
00:36:40,370 --> 00:36:37,260
pretty brave lady

920
00:36:42,170 --> 00:36:40,380
um and you know serious researcher

921
00:36:44,329 --> 00:36:42,180
um so she's like I don't know why I

922
00:36:46,250 --> 00:36:44,339
turned around but I just did so if you

923
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:46,260
want to include that in with mind speak

924
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:48,000
I don't know it could be him for sound

925
00:36:52,730 --> 00:36:49,680
it could be you know who knows Rick

926
00:36:55,010 --> 00:36:52,740
Taylor uh Rick Taylor Les Stroud a

927
00:36:59,210 --> 00:36:55,020
couple of times Well many other people

928
00:37:01,310 --> 00:36:59,220
it's just the same thing yep for a

929
00:37:03,050 --> 00:37:01,320
researcher to say hey I don't believe

930
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:03,060
that's a thing is like saying people

931
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:05,040
saying hey there's no such thing as UFOs

932
00:37:10,670 --> 00:37:07,680
well guess what now we have 30 pages of

933
00:37:11,930 --> 00:37:10,680
legislation about studying UFOs but if I

934
00:37:17,050 --> 00:37:11,940
would ask you that three years ago

935
00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:18,829
what's that

936
00:37:24,170 --> 00:37:22,079
no the thing is we just you can't say

937
00:37:26,690 --> 00:37:24,180
it's not a thing you could say I haven't

938
00:37:27,770 --> 00:37:26,700
experienced it I haven't seen it it's

939
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:27,780
possible

940
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:30,240
Now Matt Mays has had I mean Matt's had

941
00:37:35,210 --> 00:37:31,520
some interesting things

942
00:37:38,290 --> 00:37:35,220
oh this map yeah so many mats in our

943
00:37:42,349 --> 00:37:40,310
sorry Matt

944
00:37:43,930 --> 00:37:42,359
very popular name in the Bigfoot World

945
00:37:47,810 --> 00:37:43,940
it is it is

946
00:37:50,810 --> 00:37:47,820
all right Deb's most interesting uh

947
00:37:53,390 --> 00:37:50,820
intriguing aspect about Bigfoot that you

948
00:37:55,490 --> 00:37:53,400
learn but most difficult to believe

949
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:55,500
well I think for me I have a little bit

950
00:37:58,970 --> 00:37:57,599
of trouble with the portal dimensional

951
00:38:01,670 --> 00:37:58,980
thing

952
00:38:03,770 --> 00:38:01,680
um simply because I think that their

953
00:38:06,050 --> 00:38:03,780
flesh and Blood also

954
00:38:08,089 --> 00:38:06,060
um there's a lot of a lot of reasons to

955
00:38:10,250 --> 00:38:08,099
think that I even think you know the

956
00:38:12,490 --> 00:38:10,260
Mind speak works because it's infrasound

957
00:38:15,950 --> 00:38:12,500
that's what I think it's all like really

958
00:38:18,589 --> 00:38:15,960
explainable to me but the portal thing I

959
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:18,599
kind of go towards like what Micah Hanks

960
00:38:25,930 --> 00:38:20,400
said about it that they just are really

961
00:38:30,290 --> 00:38:28,910
you know Well Ron Moorhead I'll go back

962
00:38:32,690 --> 00:38:30,300
around Morehead thinks it's quantum

963
00:38:34,609 --> 00:38:32,700
physics where it's energy you know and

964
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:34,619
then others think they like there's some

965
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:36,720
type of thing where they can you know

966
00:38:41,630 --> 00:38:39,359
camouflage themselves really well you

967
00:38:43,010 --> 00:38:41,640
know kind of like an octopus right or

968
00:38:45,710 --> 00:38:43,020
like the you know the Predator everyone

969
00:38:47,810 --> 00:38:45,720
always goes back to that but um which

970
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:47,820
may be at the extreme but definitely

971
00:38:51,290 --> 00:38:49,200
interesting

972
00:38:53,150 --> 00:38:51,300
or them just living in their environment

973
00:38:55,609 --> 00:38:53,160
and becoming so at one with their

974
00:38:57,890 --> 00:38:55,619
environment that they know subtleties of

975
00:39:00,650 --> 00:38:57,900
how to hide especially hiding with

976
00:39:02,990 --> 00:39:00,660
motion uh not moving is what is the

977
00:39:05,390 --> 00:39:03,000
biggest thing uh I mean I was in the

978
00:39:07,730 --> 00:39:05,400
woods yesterday and I was like saying

979
00:39:10,849 --> 00:39:07,740
man I mean I can't see eight feet into

980
00:39:12,890 --> 00:39:10,859
the brush here in Northwest Florida so I

981
00:39:15,050 --> 00:39:12,900
don't know it's I think there may be

982
00:39:17,810 --> 00:39:15,060
multiple things at play to us you know

983
00:39:19,670 --> 00:39:17,820
I'm you know Leah asked me Leah Prime

984
00:39:21,770 --> 00:39:19,680
who's one of our cabbies asked me at the

985
00:39:24,290 --> 00:39:21,780
UFO conference whether I thought there

986
00:39:28,370 --> 00:39:24,300
was any aspect to Bigfoot which was not

987
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:28,380
just simple biological humanoid slash

988
00:39:32,810 --> 00:39:30,720
half human half animal living in the

989
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:32,820
woods I said well there's no evidence

990
00:39:37,010 --> 00:39:34,320
that we have that says it's anything

991
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:37,020
more but that doesn't necessarily mean

992
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:38,880
that there isn't more to the story

993
00:39:43,970 --> 00:39:40,800
that's of like the glowing eyes we'll

994
00:39:45,710 --> 00:39:43,980
get to that uh Matt what's your take

995
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:45,720
brother geez see I had an answer and

996
00:39:50,589 --> 00:39:48,000
then you said the glowing eyes I'm sorry

997
00:39:53,390 --> 00:39:50,599
brother go ahead

998
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:53,400
I don't know which one to pick I've got

999
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:54,960
a laundry list man I've got a laundry

1000
00:40:04,190 --> 00:39:59,520
list uh okay as a podcast host

1001
00:40:07,130 --> 00:40:04,200
um I feel for my personal uh show

1002
00:40:09,290 --> 00:40:07,140
that I like to remain neutral I allow

1003
00:40:11,210 --> 00:40:09,300
the guests to share their thoughts and

1004
00:40:15,050 --> 00:40:11,220
their beliefs and their opinions it's

1005
00:40:18,170 --> 00:40:15,060
all about them very seldom anymore at

1006
00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:18,180
least do I give my own opinions on

1007
00:40:23,450 --> 00:40:19,680
things but whenever it comes to the

1008
00:40:25,970 --> 00:40:23,460
Paranormal aspects even though I grew up

1009
00:40:28,430 --> 00:40:25,980
uh experiencing paranormal events

1010
00:40:31,130 --> 00:40:28,440
firsthand I've always had a very

1011
00:40:34,370 --> 00:40:31,140
difficult time with the Paranormal stuff

1012
00:40:36,109 --> 00:40:34,380
and probably the biggest one of all is

1013
00:40:39,790 --> 00:40:36,119
the ability to

1014
00:40:44,569 --> 00:40:39,800
cloak themselves or turn invisible

1015
00:40:48,170 --> 00:40:44,579
as I mean if it is Flesh and Blood a

1016
00:40:51,170 --> 00:40:48,180
physical being then that means they

1017
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:51,180
can't do that that's not how physical

1018
00:40:56,990 --> 00:40:54,720
beings work there has to be so I guess

1019
00:40:59,150 --> 00:40:57,000
it would basically be all the different

1020
00:41:00,530 --> 00:40:59,160
subjects that make them

1021
00:41:03,050 --> 00:41:00,540
uh

1022
00:41:05,390 --> 00:41:03,060
if they can have that ability then they

1023
00:41:08,750 --> 00:41:05,400
have to be something paranormal or

1024
00:41:11,870 --> 00:41:08,760
Supernatural they can't be flesh and

1025
00:41:14,690 --> 00:41:11,880
blood as we understand it and from my

1026
00:41:16,730 --> 00:41:14,700
own experiences uh the physical evidence

1027
00:41:18,829 --> 00:41:16,740
that I've personally found along with

1028
00:41:20,750 --> 00:41:18,839
the long history of physical evidence

1029
00:41:22,370 --> 00:41:20,760
that you know these creatures have left

1030
00:41:25,609 --> 00:41:22,380
uh

1031
00:41:28,970 --> 00:41:25,619
what I saw with my own two eyes what all

1032
00:41:31,130 --> 00:41:28,980
Witnesses describe I mean

1033
00:41:34,370 --> 00:41:31,140
everything about them

1034
00:41:36,650 --> 00:41:34,380
says they are from this planet and right

1035
00:41:38,690 --> 00:41:36,660
in line with the primates that live on

1036
00:41:40,910 --> 00:41:38,700
this planet you know they've got fingers

1037
00:41:43,970 --> 00:41:40,920
and toes and two eyes and a nose and a

1038
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:43,980
mouth and hair and everything uh breasts

1039
00:41:48,650 --> 00:41:45,920
reproduction everything

1040
00:41:53,329 --> 00:41:48,660
so whenever you start talking about the

1041
00:41:55,550 --> 00:41:53,339
ability to turn invisible or uh the Mind

1042
00:41:58,370 --> 00:41:55,560
speak stuff I I agree with what you said

1043
00:42:00,410 --> 00:41:58,380
earlier that there are people that uh

1044
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:00,420
apparently have abilities that we can't

1045
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:04,079
explain so can Bigfoot have that ability

1046
00:42:09,470 --> 00:42:07,200
maybe uh some but but we don't even know

1047
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:09,480
if they're an animal or more towards

1048
00:42:13,250 --> 00:42:11,280
human you know if you want to separate

1049
00:42:15,530 --> 00:42:13,260
the two you know I understand that you

1050
00:42:16,609 --> 00:42:15,540
know humans are animals uh so to speak

1051
00:42:19,569 --> 00:42:16,619
but

1052
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:19,579
I mean there's just so much there's

1053
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:22,800
you really get into an area here man uh

1054
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:24,960
but yeah I'll just stick with the uh the

1055
00:42:30,050 --> 00:42:27,839
ability to turn invisible at will to

1056
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:30,060
hide themselves because why didn't Patty

1057
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:31,200
do it then

1058
00:42:35,870 --> 00:42:33,839
all right good question yeah I'd like I

1059
00:42:37,609 --> 00:42:35,880
said do they all have that ability we

1060
00:42:40,190 --> 00:42:37,619
don't all have these some of these

1061
00:42:42,410 --> 00:42:40,200
abilities I don't know I just don't know

1062
00:42:43,310 --> 00:42:42,420
but but Nathan I would just ask you as

1063
00:42:45,230 --> 00:42:43,320
far as

1064
00:42:48,650 --> 00:42:45,240
we have people that have been abducted

1065
00:42:50,089 --> 00:42:48,660
by UFOs that we believe have so is that

1066
00:42:52,130 --> 00:42:50,099
going through a portal what does that

1067
00:42:55,550 --> 00:42:52,140
mean Nathan

1068
00:42:58,910 --> 00:42:55,560
yeah that's uh and could that happen to

1069
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:58,920
Bigfoot yeah I mean I

1070
00:43:02,089 --> 00:43:00,480
I'm a little hesitant to respond because

1071
00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:02,099
there's such a rabbit hole we can kind

1072
00:43:07,609 --> 00:43:04,319
of go into right about the nature of

1073
00:43:09,230 --> 00:43:07,619
reality itself right and um

1074
00:43:10,670 --> 00:43:09,240
you know I was just thinking about this

1075
00:43:13,250 --> 00:43:10,680
while everyone was kind of chatting as

1076
00:43:15,950 --> 00:43:13,260
well and that's the the you know to to

1077
00:43:17,210 --> 00:43:15,960
animals which live in the forest right

1078
00:43:19,010 --> 00:43:17,220
if they could communicate with each

1079
00:43:21,530 --> 00:43:19,020
other which they do in some way that you

1080
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:21,540
know that we don't but you know imagine

1081
00:43:25,010 --> 00:43:23,520
them saying you know there's a creature

1082
00:43:27,470 --> 00:43:25,020
out there that doesn't live in the

1083
00:43:29,390 --> 00:43:27,480
forest and it can get from this place to

1084
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:29,400
this place really quickly and it can

1085
00:43:35,690 --> 00:43:31,680
travel through the air and these giant

1086
00:43:37,790 --> 00:43:35,700
metal tubes and it can uh you know uh it

1087
00:43:40,670 --> 00:43:37,800
doesn't it seems completely helpless in

1088
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:40,680
in in in the wild uh they have it wears

1089
00:43:44,569 --> 00:43:42,720
these clothes that it makes in these

1090
00:43:46,250 --> 00:43:44,579
giant factories like I mean if you think

1091
00:43:48,050 --> 00:43:46,260
about it from the other side of the coin

1092
00:43:50,030 --> 00:43:48,060
like human beings are pretty phenomenal

1093
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:50,040
and crazy and different and the

1094
00:43:53,809 --> 00:43:51,599
differences between human beings and

1095
00:43:55,730 --> 00:43:53,819
creatures in the wild all right like

1096
00:43:57,290 --> 00:43:55,740
incredibly extreme

1097
00:43:59,210 --> 00:43:57,300
um and I think I guess where I'm going

1098
00:44:03,109 --> 00:43:59,220
with that thought is just that there's a

1099
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:03,119
lot about the world that we

1100
00:44:07,730 --> 00:44:05,520
I think in the 20th century 21st century

1101
00:44:09,530 --> 00:44:07,740
we've inherited as as assuming that

1102
00:44:12,530 --> 00:44:09,540
we've got it figured out like we kind of

1103
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:12,540
just know how the world is but there's a

1104
00:44:16,609 --> 00:44:14,640
lot about the world that we that we

1105
00:44:18,530 --> 00:44:16,619
don't know that there's a lot of mystery

1106
00:44:20,990 --> 00:44:18,540
that that is still there and how things

1107
00:44:22,370 --> 00:44:21,000
really interact and and uh you know we

1108
00:44:24,290 --> 00:44:22,380
don't understand how we how our

1109
00:44:27,230 --> 00:44:24,300
Consciousness works so there's a lot of

1110
00:44:31,490 --> 00:44:27,240
assumptions that we bring with us to any

1111
00:44:33,950 --> 00:44:31,500
any study any Endeavor that I think are

1112
00:44:35,569 --> 00:44:33,960
um maybe a little too hasty like they're

1113
00:44:38,030 --> 00:44:35,579
really convenient and helpful and they

1114
00:44:40,190 --> 00:44:38,040
work most of the time but but the times

1115
00:44:41,930 --> 00:44:40,200
which they don't work which when when

1116
00:44:44,450 --> 00:44:41,940
you have have a Bigfoot encounter when

1117
00:44:46,670 --> 00:44:44,460
you have a UFO encounter it breaks

1118
00:44:48,530 --> 00:44:46,680
your understanding of what is possible

1119
00:44:49,970 --> 00:44:48,540
right and that's really what we're

1120
00:44:53,450 --> 00:44:49,980
getting at with a lot of this phenomena

1121
00:44:55,970 --> 00:44:53,460
is it changes the possibility space for

1122
00:44:58,609 --> 00:44:55,980
for you and when that changes everything

1123
00:45:01,250 --> 00:44:58,619
then becomes open on the table and Up

1124
00:45:08,270 --> 00:45:04,069
can can uh I have your cash app to venmo

1125
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:11,270
so do you see why we do you see why we

1126
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:12,960
love Nathan over here at cabs Tim and

1127
00:45:18,170 --> 00:45:15,839
Dana do you understand all right yes

1128
00:45:20,089 --> 00:45:18,180
absolutely all right it's your day your

1129
00:45:22,490 --> 00:45:20,099
turn Nathan go ahead brother okay yeah

1130
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:22,500
so I'm I'm going to ask

1131
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:23,760
um

1132
00:45:31,069 --> 00:45:26,640
what would greater public validation of

1133
00:45:32,450 --> 00:45:31,079
Bigfoot mean for you and also for the

1134
00:45:34,609 --> 00:45:32,460
world

1135
00:45:37,849 --> 00:45:34,619
um in your opinion

1136
00:45:40,750 --> 00:45:37,859
as you send that to Debs uh yeah I guess

1137
00:45:44,990 --> 00:45:40,760
who does that go to yeah okay

1138
00:45:46,430 --> 00:45:45,000
well I think that we would learn a

1139
00:45:49,390 --> 00:45:46,440
little bit more

1140
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:49,400
about things that we've just kind of

1141
00:45:54,109 --> 00:45:52,560
ignored honestly I think that's what we

1142
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:54,119
need to do

1143
00:45:59,390 --> 00:45:56,400
um I feel like we kind of ignore things

1144
00:46:01,970 --> 00:45:59,400
and we kind of get caught in ourselves

1145
00:46:05,150 --> 00:46:01,980
we're really absorbed with ourselves as

1146
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:05,160
humans and kind of discount a lot of the

1147
00:46:09,530 --> 00:46:06,720
rest of the planet

1148
00:46:12,670 --> 00:46:09,540
I think it would force us to do that

1149
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:12,680
less and be more open-minded to you know

1150
00:46:17,950 --> 00:46:15,839
you know I I don't think a lot of people

1151
00:46:20,510 --> 00:46:17,960
get the idea that there could be other

1152
00:46:22,730 --> 00:46:20,520
intelligences you know like they really

1153
00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:22,740
can't get into that

1154
00:46:28,370 --> 00:46:24,960
um so I think that they would be forced

1155
00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:28,380
to be more open-minded about that

1156
00:46:33,410 --> 00:46:30,560
it's just adding another one

1157
00:46:34,970 --> 00:46:33,420
that response and adding another one if

1158
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:34,980
I can kind of just quickly kind of jump

1159
00:46:38,329 --> 00:46:36,720
in there on that tag on what you just

1160
00:46:40,370 --> 00:46:38,339
said there Deb

1161
00:46:45,470 --> 00:46:40,380
um there's a great book called uh

1162
00:46:47,329 --> 00:46:45,480
sapiens by oh my God sorry it's great

1163
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:47,339
right it's great but when you're when

1164
00:46:49,849 --> 00:46:48,720
you're reading it or listening to it I I

1165
00:46:52,670 --> 00:46:49,859
listened to it because I was doing a lot

1166
00:46:54,050 --> 00:46:52,680
of driving at the time and even though

1167
00:46:56,030 --> 00:46:54,060
you learn this when you're kind of going

1168
00:46:58,430 --> 00:46:56,040
through school but just hearing him kind

1169
00:47:00,349 --> 00:46:58,440
of talk about it there was a time in in

1170
00:47:03,650 --> 00:47:00,359
history where there were multiple human

1171
00:47:05,690 --> 00:47:03,660
species that were coexisting on this

1172
00:47:08,450 --> 00:47:05,700
planet together like just think about

1173
00:47:11,290 --> 00:47:08,460
that just think about that like other

1174
00:47:14,089 --> 00:47:11,300
species other intelligent hominids

1175
00:47:16,730 --> 00:47:14,099
occupying the space that that modern

1176
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:16,740
humans that we think of occupy they had

1177
00:47:21,410 --> 00:47:19,040
tools they had language they had culture

1178
00:47:24,050 --> 00:47:21,420
and they aren't here anymore at least

1179
00:47:26,589 --> 00:47:24,060
that's what we think right so

1180
00:47:29,150 --> 00:47:26,599
um that to me like just kind of

1181
00:47:31,370 --> 00:47:29,160
grappling with that and accepting that

1182
00:47:32,829 --> 00:47:31,380
idea like really does open things up

1183
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:32,839
quite a bit

1184
00:47:37,309 --> 00:47:35,280
especially against the

1185
00:47:38,750 --> 00:47:37,319
I'm sorry go ahead tabs that was the

1186
00:47:40,370 --> 00:47:38,760
book that taught me about the three foot

1187
00:47:44,050 --> 00:47:40,380
tall people

1188
00:47:46,970 --> 00:47:44,060
[Laughter]

1189
00:47:48,589 --> 00:47:46,980
Deb loves the little people man I was

1190
00:47:50,270 --> 00:47:48,599
talking about it when you put that

1191
00:47:53,870 --> 00:47:50,280
against the backdrop that people today

1192
00:47:55,730 --> 00:47:53,880
have difficulty getting along or just

1193
00:47:57,530 --> 00:47:55,740
having an understanding with people who

1194
00:47:59,630 --> 00:47:57,540
are of a different skin tone that are

1195
00:48:01,309 --> 00:47:59,640
the same species as them or a different

1196
00:48:03,770 --> 00:48:01,319
language they have a problem with

1197
00:48:06,530 --> 00:48:03,780
imagine if it was a complete as Nathan

1198
00:48:09,290 --> 00:48:06,540
was talking about not a homo sapien but

1199
00:48:11,390 --> 00:48:09,300
but perhaps an earlier version

1200
00:48:13,069 --> 00:48:11,400
um it it it's and they probably were a

1201
00:48:14,990 --> 00:48:13,079
lot better at it than we were Matthew

1202
00:48:22,370 --> 00:48:15,000
Knapp

1203
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:22,380
oh validation for so many witnesses uh

1204
00:48:26,930 --> 00:48:25,200
just the psychological effect that it

1205
00:48:29,390 --> 00:48:26,940
would have the impact that it would have

1206
00:48:32,510 --> 00:48:29,400
on so many people both positive and

1207
00:48:34,190 --> 00:48:32,520
negative uh very positive for the people

1208
00:48:36,109 --> 00:48:34,200
who have experienced these things and I

1209
00:48:37,550 --> 00:48:36,119
think uh very negative for a lot of

1210
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:37,560
people who haven't

1211
00:48:44,930 --> 00:48:41,280
uh I think one of the the biggest things

1212
00:48:48,109 --> 00:48:44,940
about uh uh public validation of this

1213
00:48:50,210 --> 00:48:48,119
thing's existence would be uh the

1214
00:48:52,010 --> 00:48:50,220
restructuring of the train of thought of

1215
00:48:55,069 --> 00:48:52,020
everybody uh

1216
00:48:57,470 --> 00:48:55,079
an ego shock so to speak

1217
00:49:00,530 --> 00:48:57,480
and then uh going through an

1218
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:00,540
understanding of what they actually are

1219
00:49:07,150 --> 00:49:04,319
and what it means to be human on this

1220
00:49:09,950 --> 00:49:07,160
planet uh

1221
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:09,960
I can tell you from the people that I've

1222
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:11,280
talked to

1223
00:49:15,170 --> 00:49:13,440
um and my own experiences you know

1224
00:49:17,089 --> 00:49:15,180
whenever I was going out in the field

1225
00:49:18,530 --> 00:49:17,099
and researching

1226
00:49:20,809 --> 00:49:18,540
you know we've talked about language

1227
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:20,819
these things having a language and being

1228
00:49:25,870 --> 00:49:23,040
able to communicate uh vocally to one

1229
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:25,880
another Beyond just you know rudimentary

1230
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:29,520
vocalizations uh there's culture there

1231
00:49:35,210 --> 00:49:32,880
there's Society there you know what are

1232
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:35,220
their beliefs do they have religion you

1233
00:49:38,210 --> 00:49:37,440
know things like that

1234
00:49:41,089 --> 00:49:38,220
um

1235
00:49:44,750 --> 00:49:41,099
are they a type of people so I think you

1236
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:44,760
would have a much greater impact than

1237
00:49:48,589 --> 00:49:47,040
what people think about just on the

1238
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:48,599
surface

1239
00:49:53,809 --> 00:49:50,880
um in the long run

1240
00:49:56,270 --> 00:49:53,819
Matt is it going is the fact of that

1241
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:56,280
there is a certain segment of society

1242
00:50:03,410 --> 00:49:59,520
that does not want to see something that

1243
00:50:05,809 --> 00:50:03,420
is covered in hair and potentially has a

1244
00:50:08,270 --> 00:50:05,819
certain odor to to think of them that

1245
00:50:11,630 --> 00:50:08,280
they could be on a level even close that

1246
00:50:14,930 --> 00:50:11,640
they would deserve that kind of regard

1247
00:50:17,150 --> 00:50:14,940
that we have for Humanity is that an

1248
00:50:19,609 --> 00:50:17,160
impedance to to to this to that

1249
00:50:21,770 --> 00:50:19,619
happening don't we still have racism

1250
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:21,780
yeah good point

1251
00:50:25,329 --> 00:50:23,359
fair enough

1252
00:50:30,890 --> 00:50:25,339
good answer

1253
00:50:32,569 --> 00:50:30,900
so do you want to go yeah go ahead thank

1254
00:50:37,210 --> 00:50:32,579
you baby

1255
00:50:40,010 --> 00:50:37,220
um so cute they're so adorable Nathan

1256
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:40,020
I think I think DJ and Nathan are gonna

1257
00:50:47,950 --> 00:50:47,030
we gotta get DJ a wig though yeah it

1258
00:50:50,510 --> 00:50:47,960
shows

1259
00:50:53,329 --> 00:50:50,520
than me when we're together in person so

1260
00:50:56,329 --> 00:50:53,339
it's difficult it's challenging

1261
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:56,339
so I I think um

1262
00:51:01,730 --> 00:50:58,800
what it would mean to me

1263
00:51:02,809 --> 00:51:01,740
um you know if there was some you know I

1264
00:51:05,329 --> 00:51:02,819
mean when you say greater public

1265
00:51:06,829 --> 00:51:05,339
validation I guess you mean like they

1266
00:51:08,750 --> 00:51:06,839
found a body

1267
00:51:11,450 --> 00:51:08,760
and we have like confirmation that it

1268
00:51:15,470 --> 00:51:11,460
really exists yeah in that case for me

1269
00:51:19,250 --> 00:51:15,480
it would just I don't know I think it

1270
00:51:21,650 --> 00:51:19,260
would satisfy my curiosity but maybe it

1271
00:51:24,349 --> 00:51:21,660
wouldn't maybe it would there would be a

1272
00:51:26,210 --> 00:51:24,359
just a bunch of more questions then

1273
00:51:27,650 --> 00:51:26,220
um so for but for me it would be kind of

1274
00:51:30,349 --> 00:51:27,660
cool to go back to that dinner part and

1275
00:51:34,370 --> 00:51:30,359
be like you guys thought I was crazy and

1276
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:34,380
now guess what I told you holes I told

1277
00:51:38,329 --> 00:51:36,960
you how many I mean we were just at out

1278
00:51:40,910 --> 00:51:38,339
to dinner with some friends last night

1279
00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:40,920
and they call us Bigfoot Hunters what do

1280
00:51:44,930 --> 00:51:42,240
they call us they have like a name for

1281
00:51:46,609 --> 00:51:44,940
us now people make fun of us but you

1282
00:51:48,170 --> 00:51:46,619
know like the the girl that was sitting

1283
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:48,180
across from me who's a friend of mine

1284
00:51:53,089 --> 00:51:50,400
she was like she kept on talking about

1285
00:51:55,690 --> 00:51:53,099
Bigfoot as if it was just one Bigfoot do

1286
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:55,700
you know where does he live

1287
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:58,319
honey there's more than just one yeah

1288
00:52:03,349 --> 00:52:01,200
but anyway I think for the world I think

1289
00:52:04,970 --> 00:52:03,359
it would be awesome I think for the

1290
00:52:08,030 --> 00:52:04,980
world it would be awesome because we

1291
00:52:10,609 --> 00:52:08,040
will have discovered a new being here on

1292
00:52:13,069 --> 00:52:10,619
the earth we would it would probably be

1293
00:52:16,250 --> 00:52:13,079
great for uh environmental reasons

1294
00:52:19,849 --> 00:52:16,260
because we would be protecting uh land

1295
00:52:21,290 --> 00:52:19,859
that they live on and you know which is

1296
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:21,300
probably the reason we were saying

1297
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:23,040
before maybe why that might be something

1298
00:52:27,530 --> 00:52:25,920
that is impeding the actual validation

1299
00:52:29,870 --> 00:52:27,540
is

1300
00:52:31,549 --> 00:52:29,880
how much just even in North America

1301
00:52:33,530 --> 00:52:31,559
could change

1302
00:52:37,309 --> 00:52:33,540
you know our landscape and how things

1303
00:52:39,470 --> 00:52:37,319
were governed and forested and protected

1304
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:39,480
yeah you know Nathan could do he could

1305
00:52:42,829 --> 00:52:41,280
do quite a bit if we if we ask him to

1306
00:52:45,650 --> 00:52:42,839
talk about the construct of human

1307
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:45,660
construct of time but if I were to ask

1308
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:48,000
you what's changed in your life in the

1309
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:50,160
last 36 months there may not be very

1310
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:53,280
much but if we go back 36 months and

1311
00:52:57,530 --> 00:52:54,960
talking about this specific incident

1312
00:52:59,809 --> 00:52:57,540
with dinner and people having a laugh

1313
00:53:01,250 --> 00:52:59,819
about Bigfoot and you guys interested in

1314
00:53:04,250 --> 00:53:01,260
this topic

1315
00:53:07,370 --> 00:53:04,260
36 months ago Tucker Carlson would have

1316
00:53:10,130 --> 00:53:07,380
had a laugh about this topic I can send

1317
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:10,140
you a video that we found on Twitter

1318
00:53:15,530 --> 00:53:12,960
today where he spends like 15 minutes

1319
00:53:17,870 --> 00:53:15,540
talking about all that he's learned from

1320
00:53:20,089 --> 00:53:17,880
the Navy from the Air Force from

1321
00:53:23,329 --> 00:53:20,099
Department of Defense officials about on

1322
00:53:25,309 --> 00:53:23,339
uh UFOs going into the water and exiting

1323
00:53:27,530 --> 00:53:25,319
the water at Mock so just think about

1324
00:53:31,309 --> 00:53:27,540
that when you think about hydrostatic

1325
00:53:34,670 --> 00:53:31,319
Dragon something like a a a a undersea

1326
00:53:37,849 --> 00:53:34,680
going vessel okay Usos as they call them

1327
00:53:40,730 --> 00:53:37,859
so that was ridiculous 36 months ago

1328
00:53:43,549 --> 00:53:40,740
ain't so ridiculous now because they're

1329
00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:43,559
as I said 30 pages of legislation in

1330
00:53:48,589 --> 00:53:46,800
this year's ndaa and an entire office

1331
00:53:50,930 --> 00:53:48,599
stood up by the Pentagon and

1332
00:53:52,970 --> 00:53:50,940
acknowledged publicly

1333
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:52,980
so could be the same for bigfoot so

1334
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:54,720
they're laughing at you now

1335
00:53:58,490 --> 00:53:56,640
just like they laughed at UFO people

1336
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:58,500
they're not laughing now

1337
00:54:01,670 --> 00:54:00,000
because people are talking about it even

1338
00:54:03,890 --> 00:54:01,680
I work for the Air Force people talk

1339
00:54:05,450 --> 00:54:03,900
about it so you wouldn't have talked

1340
00:54:07,490 --> 00:54:05,460
about it I guarantee you wouldn't have

1341
00:54:08,809 --> 00:54:07,500
talked about it during my career and you

1342
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:08,819
wouldn't have probably talked about it

1343
00:54:14,089 --> 00:54:12,240
three years ago either but in some I may

1344
00:54:16,970 --> 00:54:14,099
be wrong about that Nathan about 36

1345
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:16,980
months it could be 24 months but it's an

1346
00:54:21,170 --> 00:54:18,960
entirely different landscape this

1347
00:54:23,390 --> 00:54:21,180
discussion because every news every

1348
00:54:26,049 --> 00:54:23,400
major News network is carrying it so

1349
00:54:30,170 --> 00:54:26,059
yeah that that should give you some hope

1350
00:54:32,809 --> 00:54:30,180
uh I guess it's down to me to answer

1351
00:54:35,150 --> 00:54:32,819
this question now so yeah

1352
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:35,160
so uh what I would say about this

1353
00:54:39,950 --> 00:54:37,200
question is

1354
00:54:42,890 --> 00:54:39,960
um you know if you really if you think

1355
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:42,900
that the landscape can change where you

1356
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:43,920
become

1357
00:54:48,530 --> 00:54:46,319
the majority and not the minority no

1358
00:54:51,290 --> 00:54:48,540
longer the tinfoil hat wearing wacko

1359
00:54:53,329 --> 00:54:51,300
that's uh out talking about some hairy

1360
00:54:55,609 --> 00:54:53,339
creature that probably doesn't exist

1361
00:54:56,750 --> 00:54:55,619
because we all know that it that it does

1362
00:54:59,329 --> 00:54:56,760
exist

1363
00:55:01,790 --> 00:54:59,339
uh what I would say and we had this

1364
00:55:04,010 --> 00:55:01,800
discussion with my UFO friends about

1365
00:55:05,329 --> 00:55:04,020
Bigfoot Nathan was in on that

1366
00:55:07,730 --> 00:55:05,339
conversation

1367
00:55:10,730 --> 00:55:07,740
and I was looking at writing a letter to

1368
00:55:13,490 --> 00:55:10,740
a congressman named Tim burchett of

1369
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:13,500
Tennessee who I have heard uh I he has

1370
00:55:18,109 --> 00:55:16,319
been an advocate for UFO disclosure uh

1371
00:55:21,290 --> 00:55:18,119
openly

1372
00:55:23,690 --> 00:55:21,300
um on the floor and at the lectern

1373
00:55:27,049 --> 00:55:23,700
and I have heard that he also believes

1374
00:55:28,910 --> 00:55:27,059
uh about the Bigfoot phenomena

1375
00:55:31,069 --> 00:55:28,920
and I thought about I got his email

1376
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:31,079
address from a constituent a friend of

1377
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:32,880
ours from the show and I thought about

1378
00:55:37,609 --> 00:55:34,640
writing him a letter

1379
00:55:40,490 --> 00:55:37,619
uh and just try to get the ball the the

1380
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:40,500
ball rolling on Bigfoot disclosure

1381
00:55:45,530 --> 00:55:42,720
and then I thought wait a minute maybe

1382
00:55:48,770 --> 00:55:45,540
this isn't a good idea for Bigfoot

1383
00:55:52,190 --> 00:55:48,780
because what is essentially my interest

1384
00:55:55,849 --> 00:55:52,200
in this topic it's Bigfoot

1385
00:55:58,490 --> 00:55:55,859
is it to prove it no I don't care about

1386
00:56:00,290 --> 00:55:58,500
proving anything to anyone

1387
00:56:03,290 --> 00:56:00,300
um I don't have to prove anything to a

1388
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:03,300
person that Bigfoot exists

1389
00:56:07,370 --> 00:56:05,040
um do I need to them have to come out

1390
00:56:09,470 --> 00:56:07,380
with a scientific name so that someone

1391
00:56:11,690 --> 00:56:09,480
has to take one out and bring a body in

1392
00:56:13,730 --> 00:56:11,700
we attach the scientific name we study

1393
00:56:15,770 --> 00:56:13,740
the biology of it and then yeah okay

1394
00:56:18,829 --> 00:56:15,780
somebody's we are the CH they play We

1395
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:18,839
are the champions from Queen and we we

1396
00:56:24,490 --> 00:56:20,880
have an official announcement that it's

1397
00:56:27,589 --> 00:56:24,500
Bigfoot but is that good for Bigfoot

1398
00:56:29,870 --> 00:56:27,599
I am not sure that it is and I'm saying

1399
00:56:34,130 --> 00:56:29,880
I'm I I'm not saying I know that it

1400
00:56:37,609 --> 00:56:34,140
isn't I'm saying I'm not sure that it is

1401
00:56:39,349 --> 00:56:37,619
because then the natural inclination is

1402
00:56:41,569 --> 00:56:39,359
you're going to get like that dentist

1403
00:56:43,910 --> 00:56:41,579
who had to go over to Africa and shoot a

1404
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:43,920
lion and take a photo with it so he

1405
00:56:47,930 --> 00:56:45,119
could show it around the golf course

1406
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:47,940
you're going to get those types that are

1407
00:56:52,670 --> 00:56:50,160
going to be hiring trying to hire these

1408
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:52,680
outdoor guides to go out and try to hunt

1409
00:56:58,490 --> 00:56:55,920
and kill one and turn it into a rug that

1410
00:56:59,809 --> 00:56:58,500
they can put on the floor of their uh

1411
00:57:03,230 --> 00:56:59,819
other place

1412
00:57:06,349 --> 00:57:03,240
and I don't know that that Bigfoot needs

1413
00:57:09,290 --> 00:57:06,359
that I don't think it necessarily needs

1414
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:09,300
public protection necessarily people

1415
00:57:14,569 --> 00:57:12,240
poach now right so what's to say that

1416
00:57:16,609 --> 00:57:14,579
even if they protect it do you think

1417
00:57:18,829 --> 00:57:16,619
he's just they're going to say okay this

1418
00:57:20,030 --> 00:57:18,839
National Forest this belongs to Bigfoot

1419
00:57:22,430 --> 00:57:20,040
you think this is going to say oh well

1420
00:57:24,650 --> 00:57:22,440
we'll stay there they said This Is Us

1421
00:57:25,970 --> 00:57:24,660
I mean they're gonna migrate and go

1422
00:57:27,770 --> 00:57:25,980
where they want to go where the food

1423
00:57:30,170 --> 00:57:27,780
sources are in the water or whatever

1424
00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:30,180
their migratory pattern is they're going

1425
00:57:34,250 --> 00:57:31,680
to continue to do that whether the

1426
00:57:35,950 --> 00:57:34,260
government recognizes them or or not so

1427
00:57:40,569 --> 00:57:35,960
my question is

1428
00:57:45,049 --> 00:57:40,579
is Bigfoot better off being

1429
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:45,059
obscured being not believed being uh not

1430
00:57:49,309 --> 00:57:47,760
recognized or is it better that the

1431
00:57:51,230 --> 00:57:49,319
government comes out and says we have a

1432
00:57:53,690 --> 00:57:51,240
body we've analyzed it we're going to

1433
00:57:56,930 --> 00:57:53,700
call it this this researcher brought in

1434
00:57:58,250 --> 00:57:56,940
a body and uh we're gonna look at laws

1435
00:58:00,770 --> 00:57:58,260
to protect it which is going to be a

1436
00:58:03,170 --> 00:58:00,780
whole nother thing we can argue about uh

1437
00:58:05,270 --> 00:58:03,180
in Washington amongst the other 77

1438
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:05,280
issues that we can't agree on this will

1439
00:58:11,569 --> 00:58:09,599
be 78. and uh does it have human rights

1440
00:58:13,609 --> 00:58:11,579
does it not have human rights should it

1441
00:58:15,349 --> 00:58:13,619
be protected what areas should should it

1442
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:15,359
should it be given and then it's going

1443
00:58:19,069 --> 00:58:17,280
to just go where it wants anyway so I

1444
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:19,079
think the best thing is for it to do

1445
00:58:24,410 --> 00:58:22,559
what it's been doing for maybe thousands

1446
00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:24,420
of years maybe tens or hundreds of

1447
00:58:29,870 --> 00:58:27,119
thousands years we don't know uh and

1448
00:58:32,930 --> 00:58:29,880
just remain in the master of the woods

1449
00:58:35,210 --> 00:58:32,940
Anonymous generally speaking not harmful

1450
00:58:37,370 --> 00:58:35,220
to humans unless the right set of

1451
00:58:40,609 --> 00:58:37,380
circumstances present themselves and

1452
00:58:46,789 --> 00:58:43,250
I mean I'm not sure but I think that's

1453
00:58:48,530 --> 00:58:46,799
probably the best thing uh is not to

1454
00:58:53,210 --> 00:58:48,540
have a greater public validation

1455
00:58:57,890 --> 00:58:56,270
yeah good point good answer

1456
00:59:01,910 --> 00:58:57,900
yeah

1457
00:59:05,329 --> 00:59:01,920
who's next is it uh Matthew Knapp no or

1458
00:59:09,609 --> 00:59:05,339
I'm sorry it's me yeah go for it Deb

1459
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:09,619
okay yeah so I was thinking a lot about

1460
00:59:15,710 --> 00:59:12,720
conferences and podcasts and you know

1461
00:59:19,490 --> 00:59:15,720
all the ways that we are presenting

1462
00:59:21,890 --> 00:59:19,500
information to the public and one thing

1463
00:59:24,589 --> 00:59:21,900
that I've been thinking a lot about is

1464
00:59:27,049 --> 00:59:24,599
what responsibility do we have when we

1465
00:59:29,030 --> 00:59:27,059
do that and how can we be effective with

1466
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:29,040
that so that's just something I wanted

1467
00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:31,440
to brainstorm with other people who are

1468
00:59:35,270 --> 00:59:33,119
doing that

1469
00:59:37,010 --> 00:59:35,280
can you say that one more time just to

1470
00:59:40,069 --> 00:59:37,020
make sure we get it what responsibility

1471
00:59:42,890 --> 00:59:40,079
do we have with regard yeah that's it

1472
00:59:44,750 --> 00:59:42,900
what responsibility do we have and how

1473
00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:44,760
can we be effective with our messaging

1474
00:59:50,329 --> 00:59:47,280
when we talk to the public about the

1475
00:59:52,430 --> 00:59:50,339
phenomenon and other paranormal topics

1476
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:52,440
Matthew

1477
00:59:56,990 --> 00:59:55,200
I think it's really up to the individual

1478
00:59:59,210 --> 00:59:57,000
um it depends on your purpose everybody

1479
01:00:01,730 --> 00:59:59,220
has their own goal whether it be

1480
01:00:03,710 --> 01:00:01,740
education or entertainment or just a

1481
01:00:06,470 --> 01:00:03,720
hobby or just you know something you're

1482
01:00:09,170 --> 01:00:06,480
just filling your time with obviously

1483
01:00:13,630 --> 01:00:09,180
uh the past few years have been strange

1484
01:00:17,210 --> 01:00:13,640
for all of us in society uh covid has

1485
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:17,220
changed the world uh and the direction

1486
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:21,119
people were headed I've seen tons of

1487
01:00:25,789 --> 01:00:24,720
people start up podcasts uh because of

1488
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:25,799
coven

1489
01:00:29,809 --> 01:00:28,559
and some of them got out and some of

1490
01:00:30,650 --> 01:00:29,819
them didn't

1491
01:00:34,130 --> 01:00:30,660
um

1492
01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:34,140
like I said from for my own self I'm

1493
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:36,480
just there to be kind of an advocate for

1494
01:00:40,849 --> 01:00:38,160
the witness and getting their stories

1495
01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:40,859
out there and allowing a platform for

1496
01:00:45,549 --> 01:00:42,480
them to share their information

1497
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:45,559
regardless of what that information is

1498
01:00:51,470 --> 01:00:50,160
in the specific field of Bigfoot for a

1499
01:00:55,789 --> 01:00:51,480
long time

1500
01:00:58,609 --> 01:00:55,799
uh if you had certain

1501
01:01:01,250 --> 01:00:58,619
uh claims that you were making

1502
01:01:02,809 --> 01:01:01,260
you got shut down a lot of it got

1503
01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:02,819
suppressed by the Bigfoot Community

1504
01:01:06,829 --> 01:01:04,799
itself

1505
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:06,839
you know people talk about government

1506
01:01:10,309 --> 01:01:08,880
suppression all the time and cover-ups

1507
01:01:12,650 --> 01:01:10,319
and things like that but the Bigfoot

1508
01:01:15,589 --> 01:01:12,660
world does it too uh

1509
01:01:17,450 --> 01:01:15,599
and so I wanted to kind of change that a

1510
01:01:19,490 --> 01:01:17,460
little bit especially with my own

1511
01:01:21,710 --> 01:01:19,500
background and my own beliefs I I

1512
01:01:22,849 --> 01:01:21,720
thought that would kind of have a larger

1513
01:01:25,490 --> 01:01:22,859
impact

1514
01:01:27,950 --> 01:01:25,500
uh so I think sharing the stories

1515
01:01:29,210 --> 01:01:27,960
without the censorship is extremely

1516
01:01:34,010 --> 01:01:29,220
important

1517
01:01:35,270 --> 01:01:34,020
as a podcaster as someone in the media

1518
01:01:37,010 --> 01:01:35,280
circuit

1519
01:01:38,450 --> 01:01:37,020
as a researcher

1520
01:01:40,130 --> 01:01:38,460
I think you should stick with the

1521
01:01:42,829 --> 01:01:40,140
evidence and let the evidence lead you

1522
01:01:45,829 --> 01:01:42,839
and document everything and just leave

1523
01:01:47,809 --> 01:01:45,839
it at that and not form opinions I've

1524
01:01:49,430 --> 01:01:47,819
always said and always been an advocate

1525
01:01:51,890 --> 01:01:49,440
of letting the evidence speak for itself

1526
01:01:53,230 --> 01:01:51,900
and I think that's what researchers

1527
01:01:56,750 --> 01:01:53,240
should do

1528
01:02:00,049 --> 01:01:56,760
a lot of people don't really learn how

1529
01:02:01,609 --> 01:02:00,059
to investigate or how to research and

1530
01:02:03,829 --> 01:02:01,619
just jump into the field and start doing

1531
01:02:05,569 --> 01:02:03,839
it and start doing their own podcasts

1532
01:02:07,910 --> 01:02:05,579
putting their own information out there

1533
01:02:09,530 --> 01:02:07,920
and I think it's done a lot of damage I

1534
01:02:13,069 --> 01:02:09,540
think it's muddied the waters quite a

1535
01:02:15,950 --> 01:02:13,079
bit and held us back from advancing uh

1536
01:02:18,109 --> 01:02:15,960
with any type of answers or any types of

1537
01:02:19,609 --> 01:02:18,119
real evidence that could be held to

1538
01:02:22,250 --> 01:02:19,619
scrutiny

1539
01:02:23,510 --> 01:02:22,260
um so yeah that that's

1540
01:02:26,569 --> 01:02:23,520
uh

1541
01:02:27,770 --> 01:02:26,579
my final answer let me send that man

1542
01:02:30,370 --> 01:02:27,780
event mode

1543
01:02:33,950 --> 01:02:30,380
I think that answer for all of us

1544
01:02:36,170 --> 01:02:33,960
Tim and Dana I I guess I can jump in

1545
01:02:38,690 --> 01:02:36,180
yeah I think it's similar to what Matt's

1546
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:38,700
saying I think our responsibility is

1547
01:02:43,549 --> 01:02:41,280
to uh because your theory is your theory

1548
01:02:44,690 --> 01:02:43,559
so it doesn't you know my theory could

1549
01:02:46,069 --> 01:02:44,700
be different and I don't really have

1550
01:02:47,809 --> 01:02:46,079
theories because we're not researchers

1551
01:02:50,870 --> 01:02:47,819
but my theory could be different than

1552
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:50,880
yours and it's just having the data and

1553
01:02:57,170 --> 01:02:54,240
the evidence to to to to to document and

1554
01:02:58,370 --> 01:02:57,180
to show to present your theory and

1555
01:03:01,190 --> 01:02:58,380
that's I think you should do due

1556
01:03:04,430 --> 01:03:01,200
diligence as Matt said with that and

1557
01:03:06,470 --> 01:03:04,440
with uh you know not just throwing ideas

1558
01:03:08,150 --> 01:03:06,480
out without having you know having

1559
01:03:09,589 --> 01:03:08,160
something behind it I think that's

1560
01:03:11,930 --> 01:03:09,599
that's number one and did I think the

1561
01:03:14,930 --> 01:03:11,940
biggest number one responsibility is

1562
01:03:17,750 --> 01:03:14,940
which kind of piggybacks just

1563
01:03:20,089 --> 01:03:17,760
don't you know just tell the truth to

1564
01:03:23,089 --> 01:03:20,099
your best ability I mean that you might

1565
01:03:24,829 --> 01:03:23,099
be wrong but don't don't make up things

1566
01:03:26,569 --> 01:03:24,839
that aren't there and I think that's

1567
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:26,579
that's what hurts you know and some of

1568
01:03:29,630 --> 01:03:27,839
it's some of it's because people are

1569
01:03:31,789 --> 01:03:29,640
just they want the click bait they want

1570
01:03:34,250 --> 01:03:31,799
the the the likes and things on social

1571
01:03:35,569 --> 01:03:34,260
media but I think just I think that

1572
01:03:37,670 --> 01:03:35,579
would be for me the biggest

1573
01:03:40,430 --> 01:03:37,680
responsibility for everyone just just be

1574
01:03:43,250 --> 01:03:40,440
ethical about it and and be meticulous

1575
01:03:45,829 --> 01:03:43,260
and and you know don't don't

1576
01:03:46,730 --> 01:03:45,839
you know be dishonest yeah and I would

1577
01:03:49,190 --> 01:03:46,740
also say

1578
01:03:52,370 --> 01:03:49,200
um when presenting the information

1579
01:03:54,950 --> 01:03:52,380
you know it's almost like it's like

1580
01:03:56,809 --> 01:03:54,960
we're teaching in a way by you know

1581
01:03:58,609 --> 01:03:56,819
bringing in people interviewing them

1582
01:03:59,750 --> 01:03:58,619
hearing what they have to say I think

1583
01:04:00,650 --> 01:03:59,760
it's also important to keep things

1584
01:04:02,329 --> 01:04:00,660
simple

1585
01:04:05,030 --> 01:04:02,339
you know remind people what the

1586
01:04:07,370 --> 01:04:05,040
Patterson gidlin film is you know this

1587
01:04:08,390 --> 01:04:07,380
you know because I sometimes think you

1588
01:04:11,510 --> 01:04:08,400
know when we're presenting information

1589
01:04:12,890 --> 01:04:11,520
that a lot of this can sound like a

1590
01:04:15,710 --> 01:04:12,900
completely foreign language for new

1591
01:04:17,510 --> 01:04:15,720
people who are coming into the into the

1592
01:04:20,089 --> 01:04:17,520
topic

1593
01:04:23,270 --> 01:04:20,099
I also want to point out that uh the

1594
01:04:25,190 --> 01:04:23,280
Ohio Bigfoot Conference uh the MC's are

1595
01:04:26,930 --> 01:04:25,200
uh the The Beautiful People you're

1596
01:04:29,450 --> 01:04:26,940
seeing right there Tim and Dana are

1597
01:04:31,490 --> 01:04:29,460
going to be MC's at that event uh when

1598
01:04:34,490 --> 01:04:31,500
is that event you know the Ohio it's the

1599
01:04:37,090 --> 01:04:34,500
the oldest Bigfoot Conference it's the

1600
01:04:38,930 --> 01:04:37,100
first weekend in May

1601
01:04:42,049 --> 01:04:38,940
[Music]

1602
01:04:44,630 --> 01:04:42,059
what's that actually it's fine I didn't

1603
01:04:48,589 --> 01:04:44,640
and Tim's gonna be presenting I'm gonna

1604
01:04:50,809 --> 01:04:48,599
be at the booth schlepping books okay

1605
01:04:52,789 --> 01:04:50,819
all right yeah I know I heard it so I I

1606
01:04:54,170 --> 01:04:52,799
that's why I heard it somewhere so

1607
01:04:56,150 --> 01:04:54,180
that's why I wanted to get that out

1608
01:04:58,130 --> 01:04:56,160
there so that people know that are going

1609
01:05:00,530 --> 01:04:58,140
to that conference we actually have a

1610
01:05:02,270 --> 01:05:00,540
friend who's going to be doing a UFO

1611
01:05:04,490 --> 01:05:02,280
conference the following week at

1612
01:05:07,910 --> 01:05:04,500
Wright-Patterson Air Force Base fellow

1613
01:05:09,829 --> 01:05:07,920
Ohio and uh Kelly Chase uh she's the UFO

1614
01:05:12,109 --> 01:05:09,839
Rabbit Hole she's also an author like

1615
01:05:13,910 --> 01:05:12,119
Tim her book is called the UFO Rabbit

1616
01:05:16,190 --> 01:05:13,920
Hole so it's it's some some

1617
01:05:17,630 --> 01:05:16,200
synchronicities here she's the following

1618
01:05:19,849 --> 01:05:17,640
week to your conference she's going to

1619
01:05:21,710 --> 01:05:19,859
be a and I'm going to tell you man if

1620
01:05:24,650 --> 01:05:21,720
you would have told people

1621
01:05:27,829 --> 01:05:24,660
again a few years ago there was going to

1622
01:05:29,329 --> 01:05:27,839
be a UFO conference at a hotel at

1623
01:05:31,370 --> 01:05:29,339
Wright-Patterson Air Force Base they

1624
01:05:34,789 --> 01:05:31,380
would have said you are out of your mind

1625
01:05:35,930 --> 01:05:34,799
but I can take you to go talk to Deb and

1626
01:05:38,150 --> 01:05:35,940
she's going to put you in her

1627
01:05:39,650 --> 01:05:38,160
psychologist chair and and everything's

1628
01:05:41,990 --> 01:05:39,660
gonna be okay we're just going to strap

1629
01:05:43,069 --> 01:05:42,000
down your hands so I mean nobody would

1630
01:05:45,530 --> 01:05:43,079
have believed they're going to have a

1631
01:05:48,530 --> 01:05:45,540
UFO conference at Wright-Patterson Air

1632
01:05:51,230 --> 01:05:48,540
Force Base and they are so uh especially

1633
01:05:53,930 --> 01:05:51,240
if you didn't know that's where uh it's

1634
01:05:57,170 --> 01:05:53,940
told that the Roswell wreckage was

1635
01:05:58,970 --> 01:05:57,180
transferred from Roswell New Mexico to I

1636
01:06:01,069 --> 01:05:58,980
think Love Field in Dallas and then from

1637
01:06:03,170 --> 01:06:01,079
there up to Wright-Patterson Air Force

1638
01:06:06,890 --> 01:06:03,180
Base where there's all kinds of secret

1639
01:06:10,069 --> 01:06:06,900
craziness going on there so uh Air Force

1640
01:06:13,910 --> 01:06:10,079
material come in uh anyway Matthew Knapp

1641
01:06:19,849 --> 01:06:16,270
um let's go with

1642
01:06:21,710 --> 01:06:19,859
why does the government suppress that

1643
01:06:26,029 --> 01:06:21,720
these things exist

1644
01:06:29,870 --> 01:06:26,039
I know you guys are obviously familiar

1645
01:06:32,809 --> 01:06:29,880
with Todd niece uh very famous Bigfoot

1646
01:06:35,829 --> 01:06:32,819
witness uh military guy

1647
01:06:39,230 --> 01:06:35,839
very respected in the military community

1648
01:06:40,670 --> 01:06:39,240
had his sighting during an actual

1649
01:06:43,549 --> 01:06:40,680
exercise

1650
01:06:45,349 --> 01:06:43,559
uh from the best of my recollection he

1651
01:06:48,109 --> 01:06:45,359
immediately reported it to his Superior

1652
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:48,119
we know that the government knows these

1653
01:06:52,549 --> 01:06:50,640
things are out there so why aren't they

1654
01:06:55,789 --> 01:06:52,559
just saying like yeah these things are

1655
01:06:58,010 --> 01:06:55,799
there why are they covering it up and

1656
01:07:00,289 --> 01:06:58,020
I'm gonna I'll take this one first yeah

1657
01:07:02,470 --> 01:07:00,299
I want to say I'm really heartened by

1658
01:07:05,450 --> 01:07:02,480
the answer I heard from cliff barrickman

1659
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:05,460
on uh podcast the other day about this

1660
01:07:11,750 --> 01:07:08,000
topic but the reason that they're so

1661
01:07:15,589 --> 01:07:11,760
I've told you know I've tried to sort of

1662
01:07:18,589 --> 01:07:15,599
uh bring government thinking to the the

1663
01:07:20,870 --> 01:07:18,599
to our show and to other shows that

1664
01:07:23,750 --> 01:07:20,880
people have asked me to be on or Twitter

1665
01:07:26,870 --> 01:07:23,760
spaces is how they think and the way

1666
01:07:29,390 --> 01:07:26,880
they think is like if if I were asking

1667
01:07:30,710 --> 01:07:29,400
you to make a deal Tim I would say uh

1668
01:07:31,849 --> 01:07:30,720
here's the deal I have for you and the

1669
01:07:33,109 --> 01:07:31,859
first thing you say is how does that

1670
01:07:35,750 --> 01:07:33,119
benefit me

1671
01:07:37,250 --> 01:07:35,760
okay what do and I I even saw it I

1672
01:07:40,069 --> 01:07:37,260
watched Tulsa King last night with

1673
01:07:43,670 --> 01:07:40,079
Sylvester Stallone uh and and he said

1674
01:07:46,609 --> 01:07:43,680
yeah he said you know what what's in it

1675
01:07:49,549 --> 01:07:46,619
for me so for the government for them to

1676
01:07:53,569 --> 01:07:49,559
admit that that Bigfoot is a thing that

1677
01:07:56,630 --> 01:07:53,579
bigfoots are in 49 of 50 states

1678
01:07:59,109 --> 01:07:56,640
how does it benefit their cause as a

1679
01:08:03,710 --> 01:07:59,119
government which is charged with safety

1680
01:08:07,849 --> 01:08:03,720
with security with public Trust and with

1681
01:08:10,789 --> 01:08:07,859
uh basically uh to to have uh basically

1682
01:08:13,670 --> 01:08:10,799
a calm among the people anytime

1683
01:08:15,470 --> 01:08:13,680
something happens uh like balloons and

1684
01:08:17,090 --> 01:08:15,480
so forth the government now has to

1685
01:08:19,430 --> 01:08:17,100
answer these questions they don't want

1686
01:08:21,470 --> 01:08:19,440
to answer these questions so whether

1687
01:08:23,269 --> 01:08:21,480
it's the REI industry the hunting

1688
01:08:27,470 --> 01:08:23,279
industry everything that you've heard on

1689
01:08:29,630 --> 01:08:27,480
other podcasts that's true so uh as I

1690
01:08:32,870 --> 01:08:29,640
explained to Brian from Bigfoot Odyssey

1691
01:08:35,209 --> 01:08:32,880
uh I was on with him like a week ago is

1692
01:08:37,189 --> 01:08:35,219
it's not a matter that there said okay

1693
01:08:39,349 --> 01:08:37,199
this is what you will say and this will

1694
01:08:41,630 --> 01:08:39,359
be in order going all the way from the

1695
01:08:44,090 --> 01:08:41,640
Department of interior down to every

1696
01:08:46,729 --> 01:08:44,100
State Parks Commission down to the local

1697
01:08:49,370 --> 01:08:46,739
County Parks etc etc it's not

1698
01:08:52,370 --> 01:08:49,380
necessarily that way in a grand

1699
01:08:55,249 --> 01:08:52,380
conspiracy I heard a Florida Fish and

1700
01:08:57,229 --> 01:08:55,259
Wildlife official uh the other day and

1701
01:08:58,910 --> 01:08:57,239
I'll I can't remember which podcast he

1702
01:09:01,370 --> 01:08:58,920
was on and he basically talks about

1703
01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:01,380
graduating school going out into the

1704
01:09:06,530 --> 01:09:04,080
field with a very experience officer on

1705
01:09:08,809 --> 01:09:06,540
his first day and I don't know if it was

1706
01:09:11,390 --> 01:09:08,819
like the first week they had a Bigfoot

1707
01:09:13,849 --> 01:09:11,400
encounter and he said look

1708
01:09:16,610 --> 01:09:13,859
you don't write it up in a report you

1709
01:09:18,410 --> 01:09:16,620
don't talk about it you just see it and

1710
01:09:20,630 --> 01:09:18,420
you ignore it and that's where it goes

1711
01:09:23,510 --> 01:09:20,640
don't take it any further than what you

1712
01:09:25,970 --> 01:09:23,520
just saw and I'm I'm paraphrasing now

1713
01:09:28,189 --> 01:09:25,980
this gentleman is now 20 years down the

1714
01:09:30,289 --> 01:09:28,199
road he's training brand new officers

1715
01:09:34,030 --> 01:09:30,299
what do you guys think he said to those

1716
01:09:39,050 --> 01:09:37,490
exact same thing and he's had multiple

1717
01:09:41,329 --> 01:09:39,060
Bigfoot sightings that he told about

1718
01:09:43,130 --> 01:09:41,339
probably about five of them he told on

1719
01:09:45,470 --> 01:09:43,140
the show

1720
01:09:48,470 --> 01:09:45,480
um and he told him don't report it don't

1721
01:09:50,570 --> 01:09:48,480
talk about it uh it you see it and you

1722
01:09:52,130 --> 01:09:50,580
forget it I've also heard people that

1723
01:09:54,709 --> 01:09:52,140
have gone to uh one of the California

1724
01:09:57,290 --> 01:09:54,719
schools where they train uh California

1725
01:09:59,570 --> 01:09:57,300
forest rangers and they have like a a no

1726
01:10:02,150 --> 01:09:59,580
kidding camp that you're that you're in

1727
01:10:03,290 --> 01:10:02,160
for like a month I mean even to where uh

1728
01:10:05,030 --> 01:10:03,300
the first few weeks you're not even

1729
01:10:06,950 --> 01:10:05,040
allowed to to leave the camp unless

1730
01:10:08,810 --> 01:10:06,960
you're with a member of Staff someone

1731
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:08,820
came in and spoke to them about Bigfoot

1732
01:10:12,530 --> 01:10:10,800
here's what you do here's what you don't

1733
01:10:14,689 --> 01:10:12,540
do blah blah blah but they're not

1734
01:10:18,350 --> 01:10:14,699
reporting it so it's not in their

1735
01:10:20,330 --> 01:10:18,360
interest uh it could affect uh how

1736
01:10:22,310 --> 01:10:20,340
people would interact whether or not

1737
01:10:24,350 --> 01:10:22,320
they would want to go hiking do I want

1738
01:10:25,970 --> 01:10:24,360
to go hiking in the Catskills and I'm

1739
01:10:27,770 --> 01:10:25,980
from Sullivan County New York do I want

1740
01:10:29,090 --> 01:10:27,780
to go up there I mean I heard there's a

1741
01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:29,100
sighting you know they don't even know

1742
01:10:33,709 --> 01:10:31,440
that the BFRO exists most people don't

1743
01:10:35,450 --> 01:10:33,719
even wear us to us it's like man I every

1744
01:10:38,270 --> 01:10:35,460
week you're on there checking are there

1745
01:10:39,950 --> 01:10:38,280
new reports so that's that's the answer

1746
01:10:42,169 --> 01:10:39,960
to the question it doesn't help their

1747
01:10:43,910 --> 01:10:42,179
cause it doesn't help Inspire safety

1748
01:10:47,330 --> 01:10:43,920
public trust all these sorts of things

1749
01:10:49,430 --> 01:10:47,340
it only makes uh instills fear in people

1750
01:10:52,070 --> 01:10:49,440
but I like what Cliff barrickman said

1751
01:10:54,950 --> 01:10:52,080
they're out there they've been out there

1752
01:10:57,050 --> 01:10:54,960
for many many years don't not go in the

1753
01:10:59,090 --> 01:10:57,060
woods because they're there what is good

1754
01:11:02,270 --> 01:10:59,100
to do is listen to podcasts like yours

1755
01:11:05,209 --> 01:11:02,280
and mats and know what to do should you

1756
01:11:07,669 --> 01:11:05,219
encounter one so that if there does one

1757
01:11:09,410 --> 01:11:07,679
if there is a family there unit and

1758
01:11:10,790 --> 01:11:09,420
they're a little bit Territorial and

1759
01:11:13,130 --> 01:11:10,800
they're trying to get you to back off

1760
01:11:15,229 --> 01:11:13,140
recognize what that is the way that you

1761
01:11:17,930 --> 01:11:15,239
know it when you see a mama bear and her

1762
01:11:19,729 --> 01:11:17,940
Cubs and back off and maybe head head

1763
01:11:22,669 --> 01:11:19,739
back the other direction or circle

1764
01:11:25,669 --> 01:11:22,679
around in worst case scenario so that's

1765
01:11:27,410 --> 01:11:25,679
why uh I believe uh it doesn't help

1766
01:11:29,330 --> 01:11:27,420
anybody for them to admit that there's

1767
01:11:31,970 --> 01:11:29,340
something out there that they have no

1768
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:31,980
control over they probably have bodies

1769
01:11:36,169 --> 01:11:34,080
I'm sure that they've looked at and

1770
01:11:37,970 --> 01:11:36,179
scientifically know what it is they're

1771
01:11:39,890 --> 01:11:37,980
not in control of it and they don't want

1772
01:11:43,130 --> 01:11:39,900
to start a frenzy of people going out

1773
01:11:45,350 --> 01:11:43,140
hunting these things where humans might

1774
01:11:47,570 --> 01:11:45,360
get killed in in the process of trying

1775
01:11:50,090 --> 01:11:47,580
to hunt them so that's my thought

1776
01:11:51,830 --> 01:11:50,100
uh to mindeno

1777
01:11:53,870 --> 01:11:51,840
do you want to take it or you want me to

1778
01:11:55,010 --> 01:11:53,880
take it sure I'll take it so so I mean

1779
01:11:56,750 --> 01:11:55,020
because this is definitely something

1780
01:11:58,250 --> 01:11:56,760
that comes up in discussion just between

1781
01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:58,260
Tim and I

1782
01:12:03,590 --> 01:12:00,480
um and we've talked about it before and

1783
01:12:06,050 --> 01:12:03,600
it recently came this question recently

1784
01:12:08,030 --> 01:12:06,060
came to mind at the last Ohio Bigfoot

1785
01:12:11,270 --> 01:12:08,040
Conference we were sitting at the VIP

1786
01:12:14,030 --> 01:12:11,280
dinner and we had a person that we just

1787
01:12:14,930 --> 01:12:14,040
met and told us of an experience that he

1788
01:12:16,430 --> 01:12:14,940
had

1789
01:12:18,290 --> 01:12:16,440
um he didn't he chose that he did not

1790
01:12:19,850 --> 01:12:18,300
want to be on the podcast he did not

1791
01:12:22,430 --> 01:12:19,860
want to like come forward with who this

1792
01:12:25,370 --> 01:12:22,440
who he was but his quick story was he

1793
01:12:28,189 --> 01:12:25,380
was traveling on the highway and Saul

1794
01:12:31,669 --> 01:12:28,199
saw a bunch of SUVs

1795
01:12:34,250 --> 01:12:31,679
um in the on the island of the highway

1796
01:12:35,930 --> 01:12:34,260
um and they were all like positioned in

1797
01:12:39,530 --> 01:12:35,940
a way so they were blocking something

1798
01:12:42,890 --> 01:12:39,540
that was on the ground and he said he

1799
01:12:44,930 --> 01:12:42,900
saw something really large and furry and

1800
01:12:49,430 --> 01:12:44,940
there were police cars and these black

1801
01:12:52,490 --> 01:12:49,440
SUVs and that's all he's in you know

1802
01:12:56,390 --> 01:12:52,500
why would SUVs be there if it was just a

1803
01:12:58,550 --> 01:12:56,400
bear or so the the you know the thing

1804
01:13:01,189 --> 01:12:58,560
that I'm getting to is that

1805
01:13:02,689 --> 01:13:01,199
it probably does happen

1806
01:13:03,830 --> 01:13:02,699
um that the government is suppressing

1807
01:13:08,090 --> 01:13:03,840
this

1808
01:13:09,770 --> 01:13:08,100
um and I agree a lot with DJ in that

1809
01:13:13,490 --> 01:13:09,780
um it would cause

1810
01:13:14,930 --> 01:13:13,500
a lot of unnecessary or let's say

1811
01:13:16,729 --> 01:13:14,940
necessary but

1812
01:13:18,590 --> 01:13:16,739
it's just something they'd want to avoid

1813
01:13:20,990 --> 01:13:18,600
chaos that they would just want to avoid

1814
01:13:23,149 --> 01:13:21,000
if possible and basically all the things

1815
01:13:25,490 --> 01:13:23,159
that DJ just said right

1816
01:13:28,310 --> 01:13:25,500
and I think most from from the folks we

1817
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:28,320
talked to on the podcast and in the book

1818
01:13:31,669 --> 01:13:29,760
there's different theories but I think

1819
01:13:35,330 --> 01:13:31,679
most of them don't think it's a global

1820
01:13:38,689 --> 01:13:35,340
government conspiracy but it's it's

1821
01:13:40,970 --> 01:13:38,699
definitely a suppression of of reports

1822
01:13:42,530 --> 01:13:40,980
and and things like that that are going

1823
01:13:43,910 --> 01:13:42,540
on out there yeah because if it's not

1824
01:13:45,709 --> 01:13:43,920
good for our government it's not going

1825
01:13:48,169 --> 01:13:45,719
to be good for a foreign government

1826
01:13:49,970 --> 01:13:48,179
either yeah it doesn't need to be a

1827
01:13:51,590 --> 01:13:49,980
grand government conspiracy it just

1828
01:13:55,149 --> 01:13:51,600
needs to be a standard operating

1829
01:13:57,950 --> 01:13:55,159
procedure amongst whether you're a a a

1830
01:14:00,290 --> 01:13:57,960
national forest ranger or whether you're

1831
01:14:02,750 --> 01:14:00,300
a state forest ranger any Department of

1832
01:14:04,850 --> 01:14:02,760
interior employee certainly we've heard

1833
01:14:07,130 --> 01:14:04,860
Battle Mountain we've heard those first

1834
01:14:09,229 --> 01:14:07,140
person primary source accounts from

1835
01:14:11,930 --> 01:14:09,239
Battle Mountain let's say I was there I

1836
01:14:13,669 --> 01:14:11,940
saw this creature kind of thing I saw

1837
01:14:17,090 --> 01:14:13,679
the three letter agencies that were

1838
01:14:18,709 --> 01:14:17,100
there and Mount St Helens as well

1839
01:14:20,750 --> 01:14:18,719
um so yeah I have no doubt that they've

1840
01:14:24,229 --> 01:14:20,760
collected a body but I've told people in

1841
01:14:26,450 --> 01:14:24,239
order you have to make government move

1842
01:14:28,250 --> 01:14:26,460
from their position or they're not going

1843
01:14:31,250 --> 01:14:28,260
to move the reason the government moved

1844
01:14:33,590 --> 01:14:31,260
on UFOs is not because of podcasts like

1845
01:14:36,530 --> 01:14:33,600
this the reason they moved is because

1846
01:14:38,810 --> 01:14:36,540
Luis Elizondo who was Pentagon director

1847
01:14:41,450 --> 01:14:38,820
of the program came out and started

1848
01:14:44,030 --> 01:14:41,460
speaking Christopher melon who was under

1849
01:14:46,610 --> 01:14:44,040
secretary of defense for intelligence

1850
01:14:48,410 --> 01:14:46,620
came out and started speaking they

1851
01:14:50,390 --> 01:14:48,420
brought forward Navy pilots who then

1852
01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:50,400
went to the New York Times and the New

1853
01:14:57,649 --> 01:14:54,000
York Times posted a story boom now we

1854
01:14:59,030 --> 01:14:57,659
force not we they forced them to react

1855
01:15:02,149 --> 01:14:59,040
to UFOs

1856
01:15:04,070 --> 01:15:02,159
there is an even not even close to that

1857
01:15:05,689 --> 01:15:04,080
kind of pressure for them to react to

1858
01:15:07,850 --> 01:15:05,699
Bigfoot and I'm not sure that it would

1859
01:15:10,850 --> 01:15:07,860
be good if they did for big for the

1860
01:15:12,709 --> 01:15:10,860
bigfoots in these 49 states if they if

1861
01:15:15,530 --> 01:15:12,719
if we did have a Lou Elizondo and

1862
01:15:17,750 --> 01:15:15,540
Bigfoot who forced them to admit it I

1863
01:15:20,510 --> 01:15:17,760
think the consequences would somehow

1864
01:15:21,890 --> 01:15:20,520
change the Bigfoot's ecosystem or their

1865
01:15:24,110 --> 01:15:21,900
way of life and there would be more

1866
01:15:26,450 --> 01:15:24,120
people looking for them and that might

1867
01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:26,460
not that could end in violence there you

1868
01:15:32,229 --> 01:15:28,320
never know I don't think it's worth it

1869
01:15:35,390 --> 01:15:32,239
to shift that Paradigm uh money Nathan

1870
01:15:37,070 --> 01:15:35,400
yeah I I mean you guys have nailed it I

1871
01:15:39,169 --> 01:15:37,080
think I think that's the reason

1872
01:15:40,910 --> 01:15:39,179
um you know it's it's too complicated to

1873
01:15:44,149 --> 01:15:40,920
talk about it uh they may not have all

1874
01:15:45,350 --> 01:15:44,159
the answers either and just acknowledge

1875
01:15:46,550 --> 01:15:45,360
it you've got to answer you gotta then

1876
01:15:48,110 --> 01:15:46,560
answer all these questions it's just

1877
01:15:50,030 --> 01:15:48,120
like what what happened with this whole

1878
01:15:52,010 --> 01:15:50,040
balloon Fiasco and these objects they

1879
01:15:54,169 --> 01:15:52,020
shot down it's okay you know now I'm not

1880
01:15:55,669 --> 01:15:54,179
gonna answer these questions and well I

1881
01:15:58,010 --> 01:15:55,679
I well we could we couldn't find it we

1882
01:15:59,689 --> 01:15:58,020
just saw please stop for it so yeah I

1883
01:16:02,149 --> 01:15:59,699
mean that's it you know end of story

1884
01:16:03,350 --> 01:16:02,159
Case Closed uh we're done and you know

1885
01:16:06,350 --> 01:16:03,360
they just don't want to have to talk

1886
01:16:09,169 --> 01:16:06,360
about it unless they really have to so

1887
01:16:10,790 --> 01:16:09,179
um and you know I I agree with the

1888
01:16:12,649 --> 01:16:10,800
things that you said earlier too DJ it's

1889
01:16:14,810 --> 01:16:12,659
you know probably for their own benefit

1890
01:16:15,950 --> 01:16:14,820
that that they're just kind of left

1891
01:16:16,790 --> 01:16:15,960
alone

1892
01:16:18,950 --> 01:16:16,800
um

1893
01:16:21,890 --> 01:16:18,960
you know I think the only thing just

1894
01:16:23,750 --> 01:16:21,900
worry about uh with with with being left

1895
01:16:26,870 --> 01:16:23,760
alone is

1896
01:16:29,810 --> 01:16:26,880
I mean six I think still 60 of the US is

1897
01:16:32,810 --> 01:16:29,820
on on uninhabited which is great but I

1898
01:16:35,570 --> 01:16:32,820
think as population increases you know I

1899
01:16:37,550 --> 01:16:35,580
mean not only Bigfoot but any and all

1900
01:16:39,649 --> 01:16:37,560
animals all creatures that aren't you

1901
01:16:40,910 --> 01:16:39,659
know Homo sapiens are going to be in

1902
01:16:42,050 --> 01:16:40,920
Jeopardy and I think we're going to

1903
01:16:43,550 --> 01:16:42,060
continue to do that I think that's the

1904
01:16:46,250 --> 01:16:43,560
only thing that I worry about not

1905
01:16:47,870 --> 01:16:46,260
bringing it out is is that you know

1906
01:16:50,510 --> 01:16:47,880
they're doing fine now and we still have

1907
01:16:52,790 --> 01:16:50,520
you know again 60 of land that's not

1908
01:16:53,689 --> 01:16:52,800
inhabited but it's getting smaller you

1909
01:16:58,550 --> 01:16:53,699
know

1910
01:17:00,590 --> 01:16:58,560
say time things change with time so we

1911
01:17:03,410 --> 01:17:00,600
can only talk about we're looking at a a

1912
01:17:05,390 --> 01:17:03,420
snapshot in Time Of Our Lives that's all

1913
01:17:06,890 --> 01:17:05,400
we have to work with you're right things

1914
01:17:09,050 --> 01:17:06,900
could change in the future where that

1915
01:17:11,270 --> 01:17:09,060
becomes untenable because we've just

1916
01:17:12,830 --> 01:17:11,280
taken up every bit of Farmland but then

1917
01:17:14,689 --> 01:17:12,840
you're gonna have problems with crops

1918
01:17:16,430 --> 01:17:14,699
and you know feeding people and

1919
01:17:19,130 --> 01:17:16,440
vegetation and everything else but

1920
01:17:21,770 --> 01:17:19,140
you're right that that Paradigm could

1921
01:17:23,930 --> 01:17:21,780
shift in in an area where something does

1922
01:17:26,330 --> 01:17:23,940
need to be done for them because they're

1923
01:17:29,990 --> 01:17:26,340
being starved out of uh their resources

1924
01:17:32,810 --> 01:17:30,000
that's possible but so don't you think

1925
01:17:35,390 --> 01:17:32,820
just the fact that they do suppress it

1926
01:17:37,790 --> 01:17:35,400
and that they have for so long

1927
01:17:40,189 --> 01:17:37,800
that kind of tells you some things

1928
01:17:41,450 --> 01:17:40,199
I mean if this were just an Undiscovered

1929
01:17:43,490 --> 01:17:41,460
primate

1930
01:17:44,750 --> 01:17:43,500
why wouldn't they acknowledge it it

1931
01:17:46,490 --> 01:17:44,760
would just be another part of the

1932
01:17:48,950 --> 01:17:46,500
wildlife it would just be like oh here's

1933
01:17:51,050 --> 01:17:48,960
a new species of primate that's in North

1934
01:17:52,790 --> 01:17:51,060
America they didn't suppress the

1935
01:17:54,890 --> 01:17:52,800
existence of the gorilla

1936
01:17:57,649 --> 01:17:54,900
they acknowledge that gorillas exist so

1937
01:18:00,410 --> 01:17:57,659
why why is this different action and

1938
01:18:02,330 --> 01:18:00,420
King Kong too you know in Godzilla I

1939
01:18:04,729 --> 01:18:02,340
mean it came out with that I don't see

1940
01:18:07,930 --> 01:18:04,739
why this is yeah I'm sorry go ahead Dana

1941
01:18:12,830 --> 01:18:10,790
I just want to point out in this lovely

1942
01:18:14,510 --> 01:18:12,840
book called UFO Rabbit Hole it was

1943
01:18:17,090 --> 01:18:14,520
brought up that the gorilla was

1944
01:18:19,669 --> 01:18:17,100
initially ignored and not believed in

1945
01:18:22,189 --> 01:18:19,679
until the late 1800s when they finally

1946
01:18:25,790 --> 01:18:22,199
got a body even though indigenous people

1947
01:18:28,430 --> 01:18:25,800
said it existed so it was not that long

1948
01:18:31,910 --> 01:18:28,440
ago that we even admitted that gorillas

1949
01:18:34,430 --> 01:18:31,920
existed and and in the chat someone

1950
01:18:36,290 --> 01:18:34,440
mentioned the giant squid you know that

1951
01:18:38,510 --> 01:18:36,300
was no one was acknowledging that

1952
01:18:40,790 --> 01:18:38,520
existed even the Platypus that was

1953
01:18:44,030 --> 01:18:40,800
mentioned also in Kelly Chase's book

1954
01:18:45,830 --> 01:18:44,040
they didn't want to acknowledge it but I

1955
01:18:48,950 --> 01:18:45,840
do think that there is another element

1956
01:18:51,709 --> 01:18:48,960
to this that the fact that we are as a

1957
01:18:54,530 --> 01:18:51,719
population just running to get our DNA

1958
01:18:58,250 --> 01:18:54,540
tested and a lot of people are you know

1959
01:19:01,729 --> 01:18:58,260
questioning our ancestry I think that

1960
01:19:04,070 --> 01:19:01,739
might be another factor to consider

1961
01:19:06,229 --> 01:19:04,080
um because not only in like hearing

1962
01:19:09,290 --> 01:19:06,239
about Bigfoot but also in hearing about

1963
01:19:12,110 --> 01:19:09,300
non-human intelligence people are always

1964
01:19:14,510 --> 01:19:12,120
saying oh I hear there's some human DNA

1965
01:19:15,530 --> 01:19:14,520
mixed in there so I think that might be

1966
01:19:18,229 --> 01:19:15,540
a factor I know it's a little

1967
01:19:21,050 --> 01:19:18,239
conspiratal but I I'm intrigued by the

1968
01:19:24,110 --> 01:19:21,060
fact that I am hugely neanderthal

1969
01:19:25,850 --> 01:19:24,120
like I don't know why what like yeah

1970
01:19:28,370 --> 01:19:25,860
you're gonna tell us that's why she has

1971
01:19:31,310 --> 01:19:28,380
Incredible strength I know I have I have

1972
01:19:33,709 --> 01:19:31,320
an excessive amount of Neanderthal DNA

1973
01:19:36,110 --> 01:19:33,719
and there's some populations on the

1974
01:19:38,510 --> 01:19:36,120
Earth where they don't know where their

1975
01:19:41,270 --> 01:19:38,520
DNA come from like they just have chunks

1976
01:19:42,890 --> 01:19:41,280
that they don't know the ancestry of so

1977
01:19:45,050 --> 01:19:42,900
that could be a potentially part of it

1978
01:19:46,970 --> 01:19:45,060
like that again it goes to that ego that

1979
01:19:49,570 --> 01:19:46,980
we have as humans like we're like oh

1980
01:19:52,070 --> 01:19:49,580
we're you know the top dogs

1981
01:19:54,229 --> 01:19:52,080
people don't want to admit that there

1982
01:19:57,950 --> 01:19:54,239
might be something else like a big hairy

1983
01:19:59,450 --> 01:19:57,960
primate that's involved in all that yeah

1984
01:20:01,970 --> 01:19:59,460
totally I mean I agree with you and I

1985
01:20:03,830 --> 01:20:01,980
think that um it confronts us with

1986
01:20:05,570 --> 01:20:03,840
ethical questions that we're not ready

1987
01:20:07,370 --> 01:20:05,580
to wrestle with and you're seeing this

1988
01:20:09,950 --> 01:20:07,380
happen too with a lot of other studies

1989
01:20:13,970 --> 01:20:09,960
that are going on now that are taking a

1990
01:20:16,430 --> 01:20:13,980
harder look at different animals and the

1991
01:20:20,330 --> 01:20:16,440
tools that they create or the potential

1992
01:20:22,490 --> 01:20:20,340
language which they might have uh and if

1993
01:20:25,610 --> 01:20:22,500
if we kind of go down that path and go

1994
01:20:27,709 --> 01:20:25,620
oh well like certain octopus or squid

1995
01:20:30,590 --> 01:20:27,719
like they seem to have a culture they

1996
01:20:32,270 --> 01:20:30,600
seem like they seem to be intelligent uh

1997
01:20:33,709 --> 01:20:32,280
or Dolphins whatever like then we have

1998
01:20:35,149 --> 01:20:33,719
to go well can we eat them you know like

1999
01:20:36,649 --> 01:20:35,159
like is this okay for us to like

2000
01:20:38,510 --> 01:20:36,659
dominate them in the way that we have

2001
01:20:40,189 --> 01:20:38,520
and I so I think in some ways we've been

2002
01:20:44,390 --> 01:20:40,199
we've inherited a lot of thinking about

2003
01:20:47,030 --> 01:20:44,400
the world from uh you know sort of the

2004
01:20:48,470 --> 01:20:47,040
the dawn of naturalism and colonialism

2005
01:20:50,750 --> 01:20:48,480
which were sort of happening at the same

2006
01:20:52,850 --> 01:20:50,760
time the British Empire kind of taking

2007
01:20:54,890 --> 01:20:52,860
over everything taking all these

2008
01:20:56,750 --> 01:20:54,900
artifacts back to you know to the

2009
01:20:57,950 --> 01:20:56,760
British museum like you know like

2010
01:20:58,910 --> 01:20:57,960
essentially

2011
01:21:01,310 --> 01:20:58,920
um

2012
01:21:04,250 --> 01:21:01,320
you know kind of ruling over the having

2013
01:21:06,410 --> 01:21:04,260
dominion over the world and putting

2014
01:21:08,810 --> 01:21:06,420
humans at the very top of this pyramid

2015
01:21:11,870 --> 01:21:08,820
to sort of do with the world as we as we

2016
01:21:15,169 --> 01:21:11,880
please right and that kind of uh being

2017
01:21:16,910 --> 01:21:15,179
thinking and doing has like terrible

2018
01:21:18,709 --> 01:21:16,920
ramifications of which we're now

2019
01:21:21,530 --> 01:21:18,719
starting to see the results of that like

2020
01:21:23,689 --> 01:21:21,540
that that thinking that behavior is

2021
01:21:24,709 --> 01:21:23,699
coming home to roost and we have to

2022
01:21:27,649 --> 01:21:24,719
we're now wrestling with those

2023
01:21:30,169 --> 01:21:27,659
consequences environmentally uh and I

2024
01:21:31,250 --> 01:21:30,179
think with these areas as well and we're

2025
01:21:32,870 --> 01:21:31,260
going to continue to do that I mean

2026
01:21:34,490 --> 01:21:32,880
they're they're trying to develop AI

2027
01:21:37,310 --> 01:21:34,500
right now that's going to listen to

2028
01:21:39,470 --> 01:21:37,320
animal sounds and Communications in in

2029
01:21:41,570 --> 01:21:39,480
the hopes of Translating that to some

2030
01:21:43,729 --> 01:21:41,580
kind of language where we might even be

2031
01:21:45,890 --> 01:21:43,739
able to communicate with animals

2032
01:21:47,209 --> 01:21:45,900
through an AI interpretation a

2033
01:21:49,130 --> 01:21:47,219
interpreter

2034
01:21:50,510 --> 01:21:49,140
so I mean this is where we're headed and

2035
01:21:52,189 --> 01:21:50,520
it's going to really cause a lot of

2036
01:21:53,810 --> 01:21:52,199
interesting and difficult questions for

2037
01:21:56,689 --> 01:21:53,820
us a lot of introspection I think for

2038
01:21:58,850 --> 01:21:56,699
the human for the human species

2039
01:22:01,550 --> 01:21:58,860
can you imagine like we could know what

2040
01:22:04,610 --> 01:22:01,560
our cats are talking about you may not

2041
01:22:07,729 --> 01:22:04,620
want to know right yeah I know according

2042
01:22:12,229 --> 01:22:07,739
to the intent that AI creates for them

2043
01:22:13,189 --> 01:22:12,239
oh yeah that's true just because uh they

2044
01:22:14,630 --> 01:22:13,199
can listen to them I mean they're going

2045
01:22:17,510 --> 01:22:14,640
to get that they're going to understand

2046
01:22:19,669 --> 01:22:17,520
right right right

2047
01:22:22,430 --> 01:22:19,679
that's right even amongst us we can

2048
01:22:24,350 --> 01:22:22,440
listen and not hear exactly or hear and

2049
01:22:25,970 --> 01:22:24,360
not listen you know absolutely even

2050
01:22:28,250 --> 01:22:25,980
amongst and we speak the same language

2051
01:22:30,169 --> 01:22:28,260
all right so uh we're running out of

2052
01:22:32,570 --> 01:22:30,179
time but I want to get I Tim and Dana

2053
01:22:33,890 --> 01:22:32,580
have a topic that we can all consider

2054
01:22:36,890 --> 01:22:33,900
and we'll kind of do this quick hitter

2055
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:36,900
fashion please go ahead man sir oh I

2056
01:22:50,689 --> 01:22:48,470
if you're sitting around the dinner

2057
01:22:52,189 --> 01:22:50,699
table I think it's now and I don't know

2058
01:22:56,209 --> 01:22:52,199
if it's because of what just came out

2059
01:22:59,270 --> 01:22:56,219
recently but I think uaps UFOs seem to

2060
01:23:01,189 --> 01:22:59,280
be more accepted than than the actual

2061
01:23:05,030 --> 01:23:01,199
possibility of Bigfoot in the common

2062
01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:05,040
World why do you guys think that is

2063
01:23:11,689 --> 01:23:08,159
okay so why are UFOs more accepted than

2064
01:23:14,750 --> 01:23:11,699
Bigfoot in the common World okay uh I'm

2065
01:23:17,750 --> 01:23:14,760
gonna let let's let let's go Matt Debs

2066
01:23:20,390 --> 01:23:17,760
and then myself and money

2067
01:23:22,189 --> 01:23:20,400
I think it all comes down to Ego I think

2068
01:23:24,709 --> 01:23:22,199
uh more people are willing to accept

2069
01:23:27,169 --> 01:23:24,719
that we're not the only intelligent

2070
01:23:29,149 --> 01:23:27,179
things in the entire universe where

2071
01:23:31,070 --> 01:23:29,159
they're not willing to accept that hey

2072
01:23:32,689 --> 01:23:31,080
there's these giant hairy things that

2073
01:23:34,370 --> 01:23:32,699
live right under our noses and we don't

2074
01:23:35,630 --> 01:23:34,380
know about it

2075
01:23:39,169 --> 01:23:35,640
um and I really think that's what it

2076
01:23:40,729 --> 01:23:39,179
boils down to at the end of the day

2077
01:23:43,729 --> 01:23:40,739
did he say I have some hair under my

2078
01:23:45,669 --> 01:23:43,739
nose yeah right right here hold on I'll

2079
01:23:48,229 --> 01:23:45,679
get it I'll get it

2080
01:23:50,930 --> 01:23:48,239
Debs okay so

2081
01:23:53,410 --> 01:23:50,940
um I I keep doing hashtag Bigfoot in the

2082
01:23:55,990 --> 01:23:53,420
city because I am not an outdoors person

2083
01:23:58,070 --> 01:23:56,000
but so

2084
01:23:59,750 --> 01:23:58,080
I thought we were going to go in the

2085
01:24:02,330 --> 01:23:59,760
woods of Maryland and do some Bushcraft

2086
01:24:05,510 --> 01:24:02,340
if there's a mosquito I don't even go in

2087
01:24:09,250 --> 01:24:05,520
my backyard okay so I honestly think

2088
01:24:12,530 --> 01:24:09,260
that because the UFO can be seen

2089
01:24:15,229 --> 01:24:12,540
anywhere like over water over cities

2090
01:24:18,290 --> 01:24:15,239
whether or not you're outdoorsy you know

2091
01:24:19,850 --> 01:24:18,300
that it kind of comes to us Bigfoot is

2092
01:24:22,910 --> 01:24:19,860
something people kind of have to go to

2093
01:24:25,370 --> 01:24:22,920
if that makes sense

2094
01:24:26,810 --> 01:24:25,380
that does that does make sense and Deb

2095
01:24:28,010 --> 01:24:26,820
we're neighbors if you're in Maryland we

2096
01:24:30,890 --> 01:24:28,020
live in Delaware

2097
01:24:33,410 --> 01:24:30,900
sweet maybe you have a forest that

2098
01:24:36,610 --> 01:24:33,420
doesn't have mosquitoes I can visit no

2099
01:24:40,850 --> 01:24:36,620
no we're close to the water

2100
01:24:43,610 --> 01:24:40,860
everywhere mosquito netting over the Hat

2101
01:24:45,709 --> 01:24:43,620
um so I mean I I've already actually

2102
01:24:48,530 --> 01:24:45,719
answered this question in my in the

2103
01:24:51,649 --> 01:24:48,540
previous uh time when I spoke were

2104
01:24:53,209 --> 01:24:51,659
humans and we believe what we see in

2105
01:24:56,209 --> 01:24:53,219
most cases unless we're talking about

2106
01:24:58,729 --> 01:24:56,219
our religious preferences uh what what

2107
01:25:01,250 --> 01:24:58,739
we consider God or call God in different

2108
01:25:03,830 --> 01:25:01,260
religions call them something else

2109
01:25:06,890 --> 01:25:03,840
so we just talked about a major major

2110
01:25:10,850 --> 01:25:06,900
event that put UFOs in everybody's face

2111
01:25:12,350 --> 01:25:10,860
so now uh all these uh the the Pentagon

2112
01:25:14,930 --> 01:25:12,360
director Christopher Mel and they're on

2113
01:25:18,350 --> 01:25:14,940
60 Minutes they're on CNN they're on Fox

2114
01:25:21,410 --> 01:25:18,360
News they're on MSNBC so now everyone

2115
01:25:24,169 --> 01:25:21,420
and and 30 pages of legislation so

2116
01:25:27,470 --> 01:25:24,179
that's why Bigfoot uaps are more

2117
01:25:30,050 --> 01:25:27,480
accepted if we were to turn that 180

2118
01:25:32,570 --> 01:25:30,060
degrees around and Lou Elizondo said

2119
01:25:34,910 --> 01:25:32,580
there is a Bigfoot I have evidence of it

2120
01:25:36,169 --> 01:25:34,920
I'm going to bring you in uh these army

2121
01:25:37,729 --> 01:25:36,179
guy you know we're going to show you

2122
01:25:40,850 --> 01:25:37,739
video whatever the case may be

2123
01:25:43,910 --> 01:25:40,860
everything that he did Christopher melon

2124
01:25:46,070 --> 01:25:43,920
a couple of army guys instead of Pilots

2125
01:25:48,410 --> 01:25:46,080
that that interacted with one or shot or

2126
01:25:49,850 --> 01:25:48,420
killed one uh and then it's in the New

2127
01:25:51,590 --> 01:25:49,860
York Times everybody would believe

2128
01:25:54,229 --> 01:25:51,600
Bigfoot exists and they would still

2129
01:25:56,330 --> 01:25:54,239
doubt UFOs that's my that's my take on

2130
01:25:58,430 --> 01:25:56,340
it money

2131
01:25:59,030 --> 01:25:58,440
yeah I totally agree

2132
01:26:01,250 --> 01:25:59,040
um

2133
01:26:03,169 --> 01:26:01,260
and I mentioned this before but they're

2134
01:26:04,610 --> 01:26:03,179
like society and human beings like we

2135
01:26:06,110 --> 01:26:04,620
need official permission to be

2136
01:26:09,410 --> 01:26:06,120
interested in something like so when we

2137
01:26:11,629 --> 01:26:09,420
have uh government officials we have uh

2138
01:26:14,209 --> 01:26:11,639
anything that that any voice that is

2139
01:26:16,490 --> 01:26:14,219
looked at as a voice of authority

2140
01:26:17,990 --> 01:26:16,500
saying there's a they're there then they

2141
01:26:19,370 --> 01:26:18,000
then we look at that and go well I guess

2142
01:26:20,689 --> 01:26:19,380
we have permission now to like talk

2143
01:26:21,770 --> 01:26:20,699
about like I've always been interested

2144
01:26:23,570 --> 01:26:21,780
in it I didn't want to bring it up

2145
01:26:25,129 --> 01:26:23,580
before but it sounds like we can say

2146
01:26:28,310 --> 01:26:25,139
that out loud and I'm not going to get

2147
01:26:30,649 --> 01:26:28,320
funny looks so like that's a huge uh

2148
01:26:33,470 --> 01:26:30,659
reason why they're you know more

2149
01:26:35,990 --> 01:26:33,480
accepted I think that um you know there

2150
01:26:38,770 --> 01:26:36,000
are other aspects of UAP that make them

2151
01:26:41,450 --> 01:26:38,780
easier to accept as well and that's

2152
01:26:44,950 --> 01:26:41,460
there's a um

2153
01:26:47,570 --> 01:26:44,960
like are are sort of uh are are

2154
01:26:52,370 --> 01:26:47,580
infatuation with technology like it

2155
01:26:55,550 --> 01:26:52,380
really is connected to UAP uh this um

2156
01:26:58,070 --> 01:26:55,560
you know otherworldly Advanced species

2157
01:27:00,290 --> 01:26:58,080
with incredible technology that can do

2158
01:27:02,030 --> 01:27:00,300
things that we could only imagine that

2159
01:27:04,550 --> 01:27:02,040
would be like magic to us like that's uh

2160
01:27:07,370 --> 01:27:04,560
that's super appealing it appeals to uh

2161
01:27:09,830 --> 01:27:07,380
our sense of our need for power our uh

2162
01:27:11,990 --> 01:27:09,840
you know neatly for control

2163
01:27:14,209 --> 01:27:12,000
um it it also kind of dovetails with our

2164
01:27:16,370 --> 01:27:14,219
like existential dread maybe they have

2165
01:27:18,410 --> 01:27:16,380
cures for our terrible diseases maybe

2166
01:27:20,149 --> 01:27:18,420
they can solve our energy crisis maybe

2167
01:27:23,990 --> 01:27:20,159
they you know so there's a lot of things

2168
01:27:26,810 --> 01:27:24,000
about UAP that I think make uh if folks

2169
01:27:29,030 --> 01:27:26,820
feel good about exploring

2170
01:27:31,010 --> 01:27:29,040
um but I would argue that

2171
01:27:34,250 --> 01:27:31,020
this as DJ's point this out too tonight

2172
01:27:36,729 --> 01:27:34,260
that they the UAP issue does I think

2173
01:27:39,470 --> 01:27:36,739
Drive begin driving a wedge into

2174
01:27:41,689 --> 01:27:39,480
consensus reality that that makes room

2175
01:27:44,209 --> 01:27:41,699
for these other experiences that that

2176
01:27:46,129 --> 01:27:44,219
people have and we then have to begin We

2177
01:27:47,870 --> 01:27:46,139
Begin questioning everything that we

2178
01:27:50,810 --> 01:27:47,880
think that we know everything that we we

2179
01:27:52,790 --> 01:27:50,820
thought was uh possible or not possible

2180
01:27:55,010 --> 01:27:52,800
things begin kind of everything gets put

2181
01:27:57,590 --> 01:27:55,020
back on the table we go well maybe there

2182
01:27:59,209 --> 01:27:57,600
is something to this uh you know and I

2183
01:28:01,970 --> 01:27:59,219
think that that that's the real positive

2184
01:28:04,189 --> 01:28:01,980
way to look at this that uh we're on the

2185
01:28:05,870 --> 01:28:04,199
cusp of new kind of discoveries and it's

2186
01:28:09,110 --> 01:28:05,880
going to change it's going to shake us

2187
01:28:11,149 --> 01:28:09,120
out of our like stupor uh that we've

2188
01:28:13,129 --> 01:28:11,159
been malays for a while yeah exactly

2189
01:28:14,990 --> 01:28:13,139
just like this is just you know thinking

2190
01:28:16,669 --> 01:28:15,000
that we knew everything well I mean this

2191
01:28:19,010 --> 01:28:16,679
is how Paradigm shifts happen right like

2192
01:28:21,830 --> 01:28:19,020
they basically hit you like a meteor

2193
01:28:24,350 --> 01:28:21,840
from nowhere like your world is is

2194
01:28:26,510 --> 01:28:24,360
totally changed you know think of 911

2195
01:28:29,209 --> 01:28:26,520
think of covid like these are things

2196
01:28:31,189 --> 01:28:29,219
that happen to us and and we think oh

2197
01:28:33,350 --> 01:28:31,199
that could never happen you know a

2198
01:28:34,790 --> 01:28:33,360
banking crisis or a pandemic like that

2199
01:28:37,129 --> 01:28:34,800
that could never happen but then it

2200
01:28:39,229 --> 01:28:37,139
happens and we have to like our entire

2201
01:28:42,050 --> 01:28:39,239
world changes as a result so I think

2202
01:28:43,850 --> 01:28:42,060
that um you know UAP and Bigfoot and I

2203
01:28:46,129 --> 01:28:43,860
mean a host of other things are are

2204
01:28:47,689 --> 01:28:46,139
doing that and uh and it's ultimately a

2205
01:28:50,629 --> 01:28:47,699
good thing although it does create a lot

2206
01:28:52,070 --> 01:28:50,639
of you know difficult maybe some

2207
01:28:54,470 --> 01:28:52,080
sleepless nights for some folks kind of

2208
01:28:56,450 --> 01:28:54,480
having to wrestle with with these things

2209
01:28:59,330 --> 01:28:56,460
Nathan I want to just come back on two

2210
01:29:01,550 --> 01:28:59,340
things I think the popular 2023 human

2211
01:29:04,250 --> 01:29:01,560
that you're talking about is that person

2212
01:29:06,649 --> 01:29:04,260
who who uh reads Popular Science and

2213
01:29:08,510 --> 01:29:06,659
Popular Mechanics and is so connected to

2214
01:29:10,189 --> 01:29:08,520
the tech aspect of it there's so many

2215
01:29:13,189 --> 01:29:10,199
because everybody has an iPhone everyone

2216
01:29:17,030 --> 01:29:13,199
has a a tablet or an iPad or you know

2217
01:29:19,850 --> 01:29:17,040
and so that whole aspect of the UAP uh

2218
01:29:22,370 --> 01:29:19,860
is written right into those pages of

2219
01:29:24,290 --> 01:29:22,380
Popular Mechanics where we in some cases

2220
01:29:26,030 --> 01:29:24,300
fantasize about technologies that don't

2221
01:29:27,290 --> 01:29:26,040
even exist yet

2222
01:29:28,430 --> 01:29:27,300
um and I I think that's what you're

2223
01:29:30,350 --> 01:29:28,440
talking about the second thing I wanted

2224
01:29:33,530 --> 01:29:30,360
to ask you about

2225
01:29:35,450 --> 01:29:33,540
um let me see if I remember uh yeah I

2226
01:29:37,970 --> 01:29:35,460
think I I think I lost what it was there

2227
01:29:40,729 --> 01:29:37,980
was something I will oh I wanted you to

2228
01:29:44,810 --> 01:29:40,739
recite if you would for Tim and Dana

2229
01:29:48,110 --> 01:29:44,820
basically what Lou Elizondo said uh

2230
01:29:50,090 --> 01:29:48,120
about the what if everything

2231
01:29:51,709 --> 01:29:50,100
if you remember that speech that he gave

2232
01:29:54,890 --> 01:29:51,719
right and Tim and Dana do you know who

2233
01:29:59,270 --> 01:29:57,830
no no no until I started listening to

2234
01:30:02,030 --> 01:29:59,280
him well I think you already mentioned

2235
01:30:03,950 --> 01:30:02,040
it before okay Nathan will go ahead and

2236
01:30:06,169 --> 01:30:03,960
yeah so real quickly and I'll paraphrase

2237
01:30:07,970 --> 01:30:06,179
so and Luella zondo was the director of

2238
01:30:10,250 --> 01:30:07,980
a program inside the Pentagon that that

2239
01:30:13,370 --> 01:30:10,260
looked at UFOs and investigated to UAP

2240
01:30:15,229 --> 01:30:13,380
and he came forward and and he secretly

2241
01:30:16,970 --> 01:30:15,239
yeah yeah secretly he came forward

2242
01:30:18,470 --> 01:30:16,980
publicly and acknowledged that this was

2243
01:30:20,450 --> 01:30:18,480
the thing we were doing

2244
01:30:22,910 --> 01:30:20,460
um he's been an astrology advocate for

2245
01:30:25,070 --> 01:30:22,920
uh you know getting us to explore this

2246
01:30:26,770 --> 01:30:25,080
more explicitly and getting Congress and

2247
01:30:29,510 --> 01:30:26,780
and our government take it seriously

2248
01:30:32,870 --> 01:30:29,520
anyway on one of the podcasts many as

2249
01:30:35,030 --> 01:30:32,880
many appearances he talks about the uh

2250
01:30:37,490 --> 01:30:35,040
way in which UAP

2251
01:30:39,830 --> 01:30:37,500
will change like everything that we

2252
01:30:42,290 --> 01:30:39,840
think we know and I think that Bigfoot

2253
01:30:43,669 --> 01:30:42,300
does that too it kind of rewrites the

2254
01:30:46,970 --> 01:30:43,679
things that we thought we knew to be

2255
01:30:48,649 --> 01:30:46,980
true and it it confronts us in our

2256
01:30:51,169 --> 01:30:48,659
hubris for thinking that we had it all

2257
01:30:52,910 --> 01:30:51,179
figured out and and then when we

2258
01:30:55,430 --> 01:30:52,920
realized we didn't have it all figured

2259
01:30:57,770 --> 01:30:55,440
out and that that it's not as simple as

2260
01:31:00,169 --> 01:30:57,780
you know Humanity being sort of like the

2261
01:31:02,390 --> 01:31:00,179
top of the food chain and and the most

2262
01:31:04,129 --> 01:31:02,400
intelligent species there is and to then

2263
01:31:05,689 --> 01:31:04,139
going from there to like well no there

2264
01:31:08,330 --> 01:31:05,699
are like lots of intelligent species

2265
01:31:09,950 --> 01:31:08,340
that are out there uh not you know some

2266
01:31:11,090 --> 01:31:09,960
more intelligent than humans some a

2267
01:31:13,669 --> 01:31:11,100
little less intelligent or maybe

2268
01:31:15,770 --> 01:31:13,679
similarly intelligent and what does that

2269
01:31:18,410 --> 01:31:15,780
mean for everyone it changes everything

2270
01:31:21,770 --> 01:31:18,420
it changes our entire relationship to

2271
01:31:24,590 --> 01:31:21,780
the natural world uh it it reopens and

2272
01:31:27,169 --> 01:31:24,600
uh the deeper sort of uh conversations

2273
01:31:28,910 --> 01:31:27,179
that we have about our beliefs and the

2274
01:31:31,430 --> 01:31:28,920
afterlife and they're all kind of host

2275
01:31:33,770 --> 01:31:31,440
of things that change because of

2276
01:31:35,930 --> 01:31:33,780
this discovery

2277
01:31:37,490 --> 01:31:35,940
um and you know think about other

2278
01:31:39,770 --> 01:31:37,500
discoveries that have done this for us

2279
01:31:41,870 --> 01:31:39,780
as well you know discovering when the

2280
01:31:43,430 --> 01:31:41,880
West discovered you know the Americas

2281
01:31:44,930 --> 01:31:43,440
and everything I mean it totally changed

2282
01:31:47,209 --> 01:31:44,940
the way we thought about

2283
01:31:49,010 --> 01:31:47,219
the world the world um yeah and it

2284
01:31:50,629 --> 01:31:49,020
changed it changed the West it changed

2285
01:31:53,030 --> 01:31:50,639
the people who live who lived here

2286
01:31:55,189 --> 01:31:53,040
before you know the West got here uh in

2287
01:31:57,470 --> 01:31:55,199
very bad ways for for them

2288
01:32:00,410 --> 01:31:57,480
um and you know everything was different

2289
01:32:02,030 --> 01:32:00,420
after that so I think that we

2290
01:32:03,709 --> 01:32:02,040
we've kind of forgotten that that can

2291
01:32:05,629 --> 01:32:03,719
still happen right I think that that's

2292
01:32:07,790 --> 01:32:05,639
really the lesson here we've forgotten

2293
01:32:10,370 --> 01:32:07,800
that that can still happen that these

2294
01:32:11,930 --> 01:32:10,380
huge changes can still occur and and

2295
01:32:14,930 --> 01:32:11,940
we've gotten really comfortable with

2296
01:32:17,270 --> 01:32:14,940
this incremental change that we just

2297
01:32:19,310 --> 01:32:17,280
like well we're just like we'll learn a

2298
01:32:21,050 --> 01:32:19,320
little something new and like our phds

2299
01:32:22,790 --> 01:32:21,060
like they'll they'll learn a little new

2300
01:32:24,110 --> 01:32:22,800
thing about you know Quantum something

2301
01:32:26,330 --> 01:32:24,120
or whatever and it's but it's just like

2302
01:32:29,149 --> 01:32:26,340
this incremental change we don't we

2303
01:32:31,430 --> 01:32:29,159
don't believe that a sort of tectonic

2304
01:32:33,470 --> 01:32:31,440
shift can occur in the in what we know

2305
01:32:34,850 --> 01:32:33,480
what we think we know uh that could

2306
01:32:37,669 --> 01:32:34,860
rewrite everything and I think that

2307
01:32:39,530 --> 01:32:37,679
that's um the potential

2308
01:32:42,229 --> 01:32:39,540
and I would argue is the the the the

2309
01:32:44,390 --> 01:32:42,239
potential of these topics

2310
01:32:45,770 --> 01:32:44,400
I want to and I'll put you guys up on

2311
01:32:48,110 --> 01:32:45,780
the screen real it's it's very thought

2312
01:32:50,330 --> 01:32:48,120
provoking but to give a little bit of

2313
01:32:52,490 --> 01:32:50,340
further context if we were to take the

2314
01:32:55,310 --> 01:32:52,500
person in the government who's come

2315
01:32:58,129 --> 01:32:55,320
public of all the people that have the

2316
01:32:59,629 --> 01:32:58,139
most information about Cryptids

2317
01:33:02,149 --> 01:32:59,639
paranormal

2318
01:33:05,950 --> 01:33:02,159
and ufology and I'll include Bigfoot in

2319
01:33:08,450 --> 01:33:05,960
encrypted right Lou Elizondo is the most

2320
01:33:11,689 --> 01:33:08,460
knowledgeable person the most read in

2321
01:33:14,510 --> 01:33:11,699
person to come public who quit his job

2322
01:33:17,390 --> 01:33:14,520
in the Pentagon because they wouldn't

2323
01:33:20,270 --> 01:33:17,400
allow him to brief uh Secretary of uh

2324
01:33:23,270 --> 01:33:20,280
defense I believe James Mattis at the

2325
01:33:24,830 --> 01:33:23,280
time so he quit in protest because they

2326
01:33:27,290 --> 01:33:24,840
wouldn't let him brief him on what he

2327
01:33:30,050 --> 01:33:27,300
knew the jarring things that he said

2328
01:33:32,090 --> 01:33:30,060
about this that that make any but any of

2329
01:33:34,010 --> 01:33:32,100
us uncomfortable as he said what if

2330
01:33:36,169 --> 01:33:34,020
everything that your parents told you

2331
01:33:39,229 --> 01:33:36,179
that your teachers told you in school

2332
01:33:41,270 --> 01:33:39,239
that what your pastors told you is not

2333
01:33:44,750 --> 01:33:41,280
how it really is

2334
01:33:47,030 --> 01:33:44,760
now what he knows and what he's been

2335
01:33:49,729 --> 01:33:47,040
informed that caused him to say that we

2336
01:33:51,830 --> 01:33:49,739
can only guess because he hasn't he's

2337
01:33:54,110 --> 01:33:51,840
not going to break his NDA and put

2338
01:33:55,910 --> 01:33:54,120
himself in jail but it's very jarring

2339
01:33:58,430 --> 01:33:55,920
when you say what if everything you

2340
01:34:01,189 --> 01:33:58,440
learned was true was not really how it

2341
01:34:04,310 --> 01:34:01,199
is and that so if you apply that if you

2342
01:34:07,129 --> 01:34:04,320
extrapolate that out to Bigfoot that is

2343
01:34:10,669 --> 01:34:07,139
the mindset that somebody like me who

2344
01:34:12,470 --> 01:34:10,679
hasn't been in this very long uh I mean

2345
01:34:14,629 --> 01:34:12,480
I'm studying it

2346
01:34:17,209 --> 01:34:14,639
harder than I'm studying UFOs I'll put

2347
01:34:19,729 --> 01:34:17,219
it to you that way but

2348
01:34:21,950 --> 01:34:19,739
I come into it being we don't know

2349
01:34:22,910 --> 01:34:21,960
everything we think a lot of things and

2350
01:34:23,870 --> 01:34:22,920
there are a lot of things that are

2351
01:34:25,370 --> 01:34:23,880
evident

2352
01:34:27,830 --> 01:34:25,380
there's a lot of

2353
01:34:29,810 --> 01:34:27,840
evidence that may that that we can draw

2354
01:34:31,790 --> 01:34:29,820
conjecture from and say this is evident

2355
01:34:34,669 --> 01:34:31,800
about this creature what's beyond that

2356
01:34:36,709 --> 01:34:34,679
you don't know

2357
01:34:38,390 --> 01:34:36,719
so with that

2358
01:34:40,370 --> 01:34:38,400
give you guys some stuff to think about

2359
01:34:43,010 --> 01:34:40,380
let's go with cabbie goodbye starting

2360
01:34:45,410 --> 01:34:43,020
with Matthew now

2361
01:34:48,169 --> 01:34:45,420
it's been great really enjoyed this one

2362
01:34:50,570 --> 01:34:48,179
it was nice meeting the two of you I

2363
01:34:53,629 --> 01:34:50,580
hope uh the Bigfoot conversation

2364
01:34:54,770 --> 01:34:53,639
continues in the future between us

2365
01:34:57,590 --> 01:34:54,780
um

2366
01:34:59,270 --> 01:34:57,600
yeah I'm just kind of sitting here in

2367
01:35:00,770 --> 01:34:59,280
awe of the conversation that's just

2368
01:35:03,229 --> 01:35:00,780
taking place here

2369
01:35:05,870 --> 01:35:03,239
and uh yeah I really enjoyed talking to

2370
01:35:11,330 --> 01:35:09,530
that's for sure yeah for sure yeah

2371
01:35:13,250 --> 01:35:11,340
um but you know what before I go to Debs

2372
01:35:16,010 --> 01:35:13,260
I would like you guys to just talk about

2373
01:35:18,410 --> 01:35:16,020
uh I'll I'm gonna put your website Julie

2374
01:35:20,870 --> 01:35:18,420
typed it up here uh there it is right

2375
01:35:22,729 --> 01:35:20,880
yeah thank you uh thank you Nathan you

2376
01:35:24,830 --> 01:35:22,739
got it go ahead and do what you just did

2377
01:35:26,870 --> 01:35:24,840
uh and go ahead and please promote

2378
01:35:28,189 --> 01:35:26,880
everything you guys got going on it's

2379
01:35:30,110 --> 01:35:28,199
all going to be in the show notes

2380
01:35:32,689 --> 01:35:30,120
everything that you've given us but

2381
01:35:34,750 --> 01:35:32,699
please go ahead and speak about it sure

2382
01:35:37,189 --> 01:35:34,760
um so the you know if you go to the

2383
01:35:39,709 --> 01:35:37,199
bigfootinfluencers.com I try to keep

2384
01:35:42,070 --> 01:35:39,719
that updated with how you can buy the

2385
01:35:45,050 --> 01:35:42,080
book how you can follow the podcast

2386
01:35:47,629 --> 01:35:45,060
uh continuously work on on trying to get

2387
01:35:49,430 --> 01:35:47,639
some some some influencers data in there

2388
01:35:51,050 --> 01:35:49,440
so we can connect the world with all of

2389
01:35:52,729 --> 01:35:51,060
the other folks like Matt and folks that

2390
01:35:55,129 --> 01:35:52,739
are out there

2391
01:35:58,310 --> 01:35:55,139
um and you know if you go to YouTube go

2392
01:36:00,950 --> 01:35:58,320
to the untold radio network uh and

2393
01:36:03,110 --> 01:36:00,960
you'll find our podcast as well as eight

2394
01:36:04,189 --> 01:36:03,120
or nine of them and there's there's all

2395
01:36:06,229 --> 01:36:04,199
kinds of podcasts there's not just

2396
01:36:08,570 --> 01:36:06,239
Bigfoot podcasts so again it's uh Doug

2397
01:36:13,010 --> 01:36:08,580
hot check who who Deb actually was the

2398
01:36:15,110 --> 01:36:13,020
first to capture the giant squid uh on

2399
01:36:16,850 --> 01:36:15,120
film and living in its natural habitat

2400
01:36:20,209 --> 01:36:16,860
so that's pretty so that's Doug hijack

2401
01:36:22,250 --> 01:36:20,219
who's who's and and Sons Elaine and Alex

2402
01:36:24,050 --> 01:36:22,260
yeah he's got a Bigfoot of flushers.com

2403
01:36:26,510 --> 01:36:24,060
and you can find us yeah and our podcast

2404
01:36:29,870 --> 01:36:26,520
is mainly it's just introducing the

2405
01:36:32,629 --> 01:36:29,880
world to all of the people in the world

2406
01:36:34,790 --> 01:36:32,639
of Bigfoot who have an influence and so

2407
01:36:36,410 --> 01:36:34,800
you get to know these people you know we

2408
01:36:38,030 --> 01:36:36,420
crack up with them you get to know a

2409
01:36:39,950 --> 01:36:38,040
little bit about their personal lives

2410
01:36:41,689 --> 01:36:39,960
but then you know we hear their witness

2411
01:36:43,070 --> 01:36:41,699
experience

2412
01:36:46,370 --> 01:36:43,080
um and so you're just getting to know

2413
01:36:49,490 --> 01:36:46,380
the researchers and the influencers and

2414
01:36:51,950 --> 01:36:49,500
we our approach to it is at least mine

2415
01:36:54,229 --> 01:36:51,960
is is to come at it from like kind of

2416
01:36:57,110 --> 01:36:54,239
like so people who are new into the

2417
01:36:58,850 --> 01:36:57,120
subject can easily watch it but at the

2418
01:37:01,189 --> 01:36:58,860
same time it's not boring to people who

2419
01:37:03,290 --> 01:37:01,199
already know a lot of stuff already

2420
01:37:05,870 --> 01:37:03,300
I love your questions you guys worked

2421
01:37:07,970 --> 01:37:05,880
hard to get keep Jeff Meldrum on track

2422
01:37:10,669 --> 01:37:07,980
and make sure that he's saying it for

2423
01:37:12,649 --> 01:37:10,679
the lowest common denominator I I felt

2424
01:37:15,110 --> 01:37:12,659
your p as a podcaster I was in the gym

2425
01:37:17,570 --> 01:37:15,120
working out listening to it is great and

2426
01:37:20,209 --> 01:37:17,580
he's awesome he is awesome I love him I

2427
01:37:22,250 --> 01:37:20,219
want to get him on the show I really do

2428
01:37:23,870 --> 01:37:22,260
um so Debs uh go with your cabin

2429
01:37:26,270 --> 01:37:23,880
goodbyes please ma'am

2430
01:37:27,950 --> 01:37:26,280
yes I wanted to say

2431
01:37:30,050 --> 01:37:27,960
um thank you for coming

2432
01:37:32,090 --> 01:37:30,060
um you guys were amazing I'm really

2433
01:37:34,310 --> 01:37:32,100
intrigued by what you've done with the

2434
01:37:35,510 --> 01:37:34,320
book I'm probably going to end up buying

2435
01:37:37,129 --> 01:37:35,520
that even though I said I would stop

2436
01:37:39,649 --> 01:37:37,139
buying books

2437
01:37:41,270 --> 01:37:39,659
um and I I hope that you are going to

2438
01:37:42,770 --> 01:37:41,280
come back one day to talk to us because

2439
01:37:45,470 --> 01:37:42,780
I'd like to know a little bit more about

2440
01:37:47,629 --> 01:37:45,480
the conferences and just all the data

2441
01:37:50,290 --> 01:37:47,639
that you guys are getting I love data

2442
01:37:53,149 --> 01:37:50,300
yes it's nice meeting you

2443
01:37:55,610 --> 01:37:53,159
thank you

2444
01:37:57,590 --> 01:37:55,620
yeah it's been awesome I'm having you

2445
01:37:59,330 --> 01:37:57,600
guys with us and uh and I know you guys

2446
01:38:00,950 --> 01:37:59,340
study influencers and promote them but

2447
01:38:02,810 --> 01:38:00,960
you've influenced us tonight and I

2448
01:38:04,370 --> 01:38:02,820
really appreciate that

2449
01:38:05,750 --> 01:38:04,380
um you know it's inspiring to see the

2450
01:38:07,250 --> 01:38:05,760
work that you're doing and it's really

2451
01:38:09,890 --> 01:38:07,260
cool to see the chemistry that you have

2452
01:38:12,410 --> 01:38:09,900
uh it's not often where you find a

2453
01:38:15,770 --> 01:38:12,420
couple that is both into the same thing

2454
01:38:16,669 --> 01:38:15,780
like about with these kinds of topics

2455
01:38:18,229 --> 01:38:16,679
um at least I speak from my own

2456
01:38:18,910 --> 01:38:18,239
experience in that regard

2457
01:38:21,530 --> 01:38:18,920
um

2458
01:38:24,050 --> 01:38:21,540
couples who Bigfoot together stay

2459
01:38:26,149 --> 01:38:24,060
together I love that well I'm glad to

2460
01:38:28,189 --> 01:38:26,159
hear that that that's true uh so I think

2461
01:38:29,930 --> 01:38:28,199
that's really exciting and uh we're

2462
01:38:31,129 --> 01:38:29,940
written for you guys pulling for you and

2463
01:38:32,870 --> 01:38:31,139
excited for the things that you'll do

2464
01:38:35,450 --> 01:38:32,880
looking forward to the second book uh

2465
01:38:37,370 --> 01:38:35,460
Tim that you're working on and uh here's

2466
01:38:39,229 --> 01:38:37,380
to some bigger acknowledgments hopefully

2467
01:38:41,930 --> 01:38:39,239
we get that kind of validation that

2468
01:38:43,310 --> 01:38:41,940
we're hoping for thanks Nathan thank you

2469
01:38:46,370 --> 01:38:43,320
yeah thank you

2470
01:38:48,649 --> 01:38:46,380
yeah and uh for finally I want to say uh

2471
01:38:51,110 --> 01:38:48,659
thank you so much uh you guys came in

2472
01:38:55,729 --> 01:38:51,120
the chat uh you asked great questions we

2473
01:38:58,010 --> 01:38:55,739
connected after the show on on DM uh and

2474
01:39:00,110 --> 01:38:58,020
for people who are rookies like us you

2475
01:39:01,790 --> 01:39:00,120
know that other than Matt I mean we

2476
01:39:04,250 --> 01:39:01,800
don't really know very much Nathan

2477
01:39:06,229 --> 01:39:04,260
introduced me to the Bigfoot topic I was

2478
01:39:09,050 --> 01:39:06,239
completely caught off guard through my

2479
01:39:10,910 --> 01:39:09,060
entire war world into a spin I was like

2480
01:39:13,729 --> 01:39:10,920
oh my God I got to find out and try to

2481
01:39:15,770 --> 01:39:13,739
understand Bigfoot and I'm enjoying so

2482
01:39:19,490 --> 01:39:15,780
much but for

2483
01:39:21,430 --> 01:39:19,500
yes sir if you get the book DJ yes sir

2484
01:39:24,770 --> 01:39:21,440
it'll bring you into the into the world

2485
01:39:26,990 --> 01:39:24,780
I will I will get the book my friend I I

2486
01:39:28,790 --> 01:39:27,000
need I need to read my I actually just

2487
01:39:30,770 --> 01:39:28,800
bought one that that we had Terry

2488
01:39:33,290 --> 01:39:30,780
Wendell on and we bought the one about

2489
01:39:35,030 --> 01:39:33,300
the meadow project in Alabama I just

2490
01:39:37,610 --> 01:39:35,040
started reading that one but I will get

2491
01:39:40,550 --> 01:39:37,620
your book as well and read your book but

2492
01:39:43,010 --> 01:39:40,560
but uh no thank you I really appreciate

2493
01:39:45,770 --> 01:39:43,020
like I said you guys taking our show

2494
01:39:47,930 --> 01:39:45,780
seriously coming in the cab seeing how

2495
01:39:51,530 --> 01:39:47,940
how we do it and and just acknowledge

2496
01:39:53,330 --> 01:39:51,540
them I love your energy love it love it

2497
01:39:55,070 --> 01:39:53,340
because when I try to get all energetic

2498
01:39:57,050 --> 01:39:55,080
and happy Tim like starts kicking me

2499
01:40:00,530 --> 01:39:57,060
under the table like stop being so goofy

2500
01:40:02,629 --> 01:40:00,540
but I love your energy thank you so much

2501
01:40:07,490 --> 01:40:02,639
man we just try to do a show that's us

2502
01:40:09,350 --> 01:40:07,500
and it the reason why uh is uh it's

2503
01:40:11,390 --> 01:40:09,360
authentic you know what Nathan's doing

2504
01:40:14,209 --> 01:40:11,400
he's not he's not giving you anything

2505
01:40:17,030 --> 01:40:14,219
extra he's just doing him Debs same

2506
01:40:18,830 --> 01:40:17,040
thing with Matt who's a new cat here and

2507
01:40:20,990 --> 01:40:18,840
myself this is just me you know what I

2508
01:40:23,270 --> 01:40:21,000
mean and I you know what just just to

2509
01:40:27,290 --> 01:40:23,280
you know suffix I mean I had a sighting

2510
01:40:29,330 --> 01:40:27,300
in 1982 of a UFO I didn't talk about it

2511
01:40:30,709 --> 01:40:29,340
for my entire Air Force room my wife

2512
01:40:33,350 --> 01:40:30,719
didn't even know

2513
01:40:36,169 --> 01:40:33,360
uh my my brother my father didn't even

2514
01:40:38,270 --> 01:40:36,179
know my mother didn't know so because I

2515
01:40:39,950 --> 01:40:38,280
didn't think anybody would believe me so

2516
01:40:42,229 --> 01:40:39,960
you know I'm one of the people that

2517
01:40:43,550 --> 01:40:42,239
would you know it you know that that you

2518
01:40:45,110 --> 01:40:43,560
would be bringing into the light you

2519
01:40:46,850 --> 01:40:45,120
know what I'm saying so it's been a

2520
01:40:50,090 --> 01:40:46,860
great to be able to come and talk about

2521
01:40:51,709 --> 01:40:50,100
it and not be ashamed you know so uh

2522
01:40:53,390 --> 01:40:51,719
thank you so much I really appreciate

2523
01:40:55,790 --> 01:40:53,400
you guys thank you guys it was great

2524
01:40:58,070 --> 01:40:55,800
being here thank you amazing yeah we

2525
01:41:01,370 --> 01:40:58,080
will we will speak to you again and uh

2526
01:41:04,490 --> 01:41:01,380
for uh Mr Matt Knapp for Debs for money

2527
01:41:07,090 --> 01:41:04,500
Nathan and for Tim and Dana this is DJ

2528
01:41:09,590 --> 01:41:07,100
saying peace

2529
01:41:11,270 --> 01:41:09,600
we'll see we'll see you down the road

2530
01:41:12,470 --> 01:41:11,280
and we always wonder what's up around

2531
01:41:14,209 --> 01:41:12,480
the bend

2532
01:41:15,130 --> 01:41:14,219
take care guys thanks again for having